• AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.world
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    25 days ago

    It’s not out of thin air, it’s out of your account, and everyone else’s too. They’re banking (heh) on most people not needing most of their money all at once. They keep a required reserve amount for people to actually withdraw. If all of the sudden everyone wants all of their money then that’s a run on the bank and it collapses.

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      25 days ago

      No, it is actually out of thin air.
      When a bank gives out a credit, that money is created on the spot, not drawn from somewhere.
      There are rules as to how much money a bank is allowed to create, based on how much they actually have.
      But no account of any kind is reduced by the amount they give out as credit.

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        24 days ago

        When a bank gives out a credit, that money is created on the spot, not drawn from somewhere.

        Incorrect. Try starting your own bank and doing that. No other banks will do business with you and you’ll run out of money to give your borrowers.

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          24 days ago

          This is how banks work.

          You deposit 100 and I deposit 100, bank is required to keep 10 percent in cash (for example) that allows for 180 in loanable cash.

          The bank loans out 180 dollars, now you have 100, I have 100 and someone else has 180, that money has been ‘created’ out of thin air.

          The banks count on the fact that that me and you won’t both withdraw all of our money at once.

          When banks finish the day, they actually check and see if they are within all of the margin limits that are required and do overnight loans from other banks to stay legal.

          Look up fractional reserved banking.

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            24 days ago

            bank is required to keep 10 percent in cash

            Not correct. Your liabilities need to be sufficiently smaller than your assets. Capital reserves don’t need to be in cash.

            someone else has 180, that money has been ‘created’ out of thin air

            200 dollars went in. 180 dollars came out. 20 dollars stay in the bank. No dollars have been created.

            Look up fractional reserved banking.

            Look up solvency frameworks

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              24 days ago

              Money hasn’t been printed, but for the bookkeeping, 3 individuals who have contributed a total of 200 dollars, have in their accounts 380 dollars.

              When a bank loans your money out, as we are well aware, they don’t change the account in your balance. In order to do that, the dollar being loaned must be duplicated somehow. This is normal to how fractional banking works, and guidelines and requirements for how much specific money you need to maintain doesn’t change that.

              The only way to change it is to switch to full reserve banking.

              If a bank is able to loan out your money, without also removing it from your account, it is by nature created, the money is in two places at once.

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                24 days ago

                Money hasn’t been printed, but for the bookkeeping, 3 individuals who have contributed a total of 200 dollars, have in their accounts 380 dollars.

                Person A’s account: $100 Person B’s account: $100 Person C’s account: -$180

                This does not add up to $380.

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.world
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        25 days ago

        They don’t reduce your available balance because they’re constantly juggling the money around. But they’re not producing money out of thin air. They can’t loan more than they hold in deposits.