I hate that republicans like saying that republicans are better for the economy when they’re not
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party
Well, to be fair, that graph only looks like that because the Dems always seem to inherit a dogshit economy that’s been destroyed by conservative policies, then the Republicans inherit a strong economy before destroying it.
Yup, unfortunately people don’t understand that policies only change the equilibrium, but sometimes take longer than electoral cycles to see effect.
That’s why no party really gives a shit about bringing down the national debt, because twofold:
- people hate you in your term because that’s less money being spent for their benefit now
- the opposition can have more spending room to provide more benefits in their term, making them more popular.
You’re suggesting the statistics shown in the study don’t help because it’s impossible to measure the length of the effect?
God I was steamed when Trump was praised for a good economy, when he inherited Obama’s policies and when Trump’s policies went into effect it caused Covid-19 lol
Republicans aren’t better for the the economy, they’re better at telling people they’re better for the economy.
The public doesn’t grock a long or nuanced list of economic policies. This is a painful lesson that the democrats never seam to learn.
What’s worse is that the public is so fucking moronic that they EVER believe a word of it. It would be impossible to underestimate how stupid voters are. Honestly. They only surpass their stupidity with their selfishness
But when I suggested that perhaps we need to make sure people are mentally fit to vote, I’m a nazi. Keep letting the idiots vote and we’ll always be stuck with the lowest common denominator.
Because any sort of goodwill attempt to eliminate people from voting will just increase the chance of it being abused by said nazis, well fascists, because nazis were the fascists from germany.
Also fun fact, like many things IQ tests have a history rooted in racism, so if your plan was to use that then bad luck.
Fun fact number #2 the likes of Trump, Orbán (HUN), Fico (SVK) almost always win because of a low voter turnout.
The previous US election had what, 20 million more voters and surprise surprise, Trump lost.
Extremists are always a passionate vocal minority the more you restrict who can vote the easier time they have to take over the election.
If anything suggesting fines for not voting is a far less dumb idea than the shit you just said.
Fines sound like a good idea.
After all, if you live in a democracy, voting is not just a right, its a responsibility. You fail to meet your responsibilities, believe it or not, fine.
The duty to vote in Belgium belongs to all adult Belgians. EU citizens can vote in European and municipal elections. Other foreigners have local voting rights when they have lived in the country for more than five years. Attendance is compulsory for Belgians in Belgium, not doing so results in a fine, 3 fines equals the loss of civil rights.
It can be done, but I was also part of an election oversight or whatever committee, we counted votes and stuff. One of the things we did was we took a vote urn to the local retirement home and well I witnessed what happened when voting is mandatory. In the past It was mandatory in our country as it was part of the eastern bloc and this man just took the first paper, not even reading which party he voted for and just put it in the envelope and voted that way.
So there are definitely downsides to trying to encourage voting too.
I definitiv think voting should be mandatory in the sense of you should have to go to a polling place or send in a ballot or statement of intent to not vote. Make it just as easy to vote as to not, but don’t actually make people vote
Agreed. We need more Americans to actually understand the responsibilities we hold and what we get for them. Voting isn’t fun, but it’s your damn job. It’s the price of democracy. Same as being aware of the issues and candidates. And don’t get me started on jury duty
I might know which user said that to you. I had a run in like that too. They kept telling how I was objectively a fascist for agreeing with the sentiment – was explicitly explaining that I am not sure how you would implement it precisely, but that it was understandable. NO ITS fAsCisT and UnCoNsTitUtIoNaL!!!
I know there’s no hard and fast solution. Education? But that will take time. Encouraging people to vote? But if we let all the fascists get away with it they’ll get in. Back in the 70s when I worked in a factory the hard line socialists always had a good turnout and got the vote at Union meetings etc. Those that were of a different opinion got shouted down so stopped going. The hardliners won.
Difficult times ahead.
Because intelligence tests were used to deny black votes in the reconstruction south. There are a variety of tricks that they’ve used from just giving harder tests to black people to giving tests that prioritize knowledge more common in white cultural experiences. And that’s not touching on the language issue as a means to deny immigrant votes
Sure, you might be able to get away with it in case of advanced dementia. When my father was an election watcher, he saw christian fundamentalists trying to convince election officiers, that a man so demented that didn’t even realize what was happening, only that those christian fundamentalists talking about how that man used to be voting for Fidesz allegedly.
That’s actually true worldwide. Wanna see how an economy looks like after over 30 years of almost uninterrupted conservative leadership? Look at where Germany stands now. Crumbling infrastructure, worst Internet in Europe, industry unable and/or unwilling to open itself to modern technology (best example being the German car industry).
Even Trump admitted Democrats were better for the economy
Yep, I’m sure he still believes that. Especially when he was like the worse performing president within that last few decades
During a March 2004 interview, Trump stated: “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.”
That’s juhst gayr propahgandurrr
They also like trying to sabotage the economy when they’re not in charge by telling others it’s shit … and there is evidence trump tried to delay deals last election
Don’t be surprised if he did the same to undermine Biden this time
he won’t though. so enjoy your rights being taken away and rising cost of groceries.
What rights have been taken away?
The right to not be gaslighted with lies, stupidity, and disinformation.
Lmao.
the right to govern your own body.
the right to “kill babies” is probably what you’re fishing for us to say, right? very clever.
or maybe the way he campaigned on “you wont need to vote anymore”?
I’m not baiting anything. In fact, I’m pro choice. I’m genuinely asking: What rights have been taken away?
Dumb question, he’s not president yet.
Sure, bud.
Abortion in the red states, and that was work he did his last term.
Wait till he’s back in office, he’s nothing if not vindictive.
Lol, groceries are about to go up. Trump wants to continue a pointless tariff war with China. It’s not going to work.
The CPC is more than willing to plunge their own citizens into poverty to outlast the US. Americans complain over a 20 cent increase in gas. How do you think they’ll react when most of their goods suddenly increase by 30% or more?
Chinese labor made the American middle class.
I think it’s funny how Tankies pretend China is a paradise. China will absolutely starve every man, woman, and child over the pettiest of shit, there’s no telling what they’d do to win a tariff war.
And the deportations will end up raising grocery prices.
It killed the US middle class, or better, was one of the bigger factors in doing so. The American middle class was strongest post war until the late 70s. That was when our economic policies shifted to off-shoring as much labor as possible, and when the Chinese special economic zone polices were started, in cooperation with the US. The loss of manufacturing jobs in the following decades gutted the US middle class.
Yeah, how can people not see this? The “American Dream” and times of middle class prosperity were very obviously before China opened its economy and became the new industrial hub of the world. And when off-shoring started, so did real wage stagnation/decline.
Selling the declining American middle class plastic toys did not “make” that class. What made it were stable well paying manufacturing jobs. Trump won’t bring those back with a trade war with China, but the claim that Chinese labor “made” the American middle class is just delusional.
No one has found it odd that this happened around the time when a single person could no longer pay for a family for muh trad lifestyle.
Mass deportation of our cheap labor supply will do way more to increase cost of groceries than Chinese tariffs ever will. The cold hard truth of it all is that our entire way of life depends on exploiting cheap migrant labor. Democrats don’t like to admit it because we don’t like that kind of exploitation, and republicans don’t like to admit it because they don’t like immigrants. But we depend on them as much as we do the laborers in chinese factories, the somewhat educated cheap labor in India, the children in sweatshops in Vietnam, and so on. Our entire economy is based on exploiting someone, somewhere, artifically reducing the cost of living for us.
Uhm… Gonna have to wildly disagree with you there, wartime and postwar industrialization and strong unions created the American middle class, globalism breaking the unions is what has destroyed the middle class.
There’s a little detail in the show that I always liked. They didn’t shove it in your face and I appreciate the subtlety.
The detail is that there were actually very few groceries in the grocery store. If you look closely, the produce is always very low quality, and there just wasn’t that much to choose from. It was a big deal when they got those navel oranges. Not much meats either, and they mostly got canned goods and such. It highlights how shitty their society is without going too overboard. “You might not have noticed, but your brain did.”
The best part is that Trump will not bring down the price of groceries.
Particularly since they’re looking at produce. Who’s going to pick that produce after he starts rounding up immigrants? White people? Good luck with that.
Florida and Georgia have both had crops left rotting in the fields after they enacted draconian policies about immigrants. Now we’re going to see supply plummet at a national level and prices will skyrocket. They’ll blame Biden for it what it happens.
I have heard a lot about the building industry saying very similar things about whats going to happen to the housing market with these policies. They rely on these people and have blatantly said they need their labour to build houses so its simple maths here.
Lol he has latched onto literally the only obvious idea one could execute as president which would be guaranteed to do the opposite.
Mass deportations and tariffs will both damage prices so that’s two things.
Well shit color me Trupid – I missed one of the braindead anti-ideas
You know, except there’s no motivation for retailers to lower prices no matter how cheap the the products become nor how low their taxes are.
Correct. A dozen eggs will never be $1.40 again.
Right. Low taxes mean stock buybacks and a consolidation of wealth.
Except he won’t, of course.
Canadian commentary:
I know it’s difficult with corporate greed and price gouging right now, I’m not debating that.
I’m worried that the food that people gravitate toward is unhealthy, ultra processed and cheaper on purpose. You need to buy MORE of this kind of food to stay full.
The US has, in my understanding, a lot of food deserts where healthier options are not available and people are pushed to eat empty calories.
The late-stage capitalist system wears people so thin that the effort to find and cook cheap healthy meals can be overwhelming if you don’t usually do this.
Portions in North America are HUGE.
There are ways to eat for cheaper but I understand that takes effort. For example, I order a $23 CDN all in produce box to my door of oddly shaped/sized produce that feeds two adults for a week. The largest box at $49 easily feeds a family of 4. It takes effort to find and locate services like this. Only available in big cities too.
I guess what I’m trying to say is it seems like the structure of society and capitalism makes the impact of corporate greed RE: groceries SO much worse.
Not to mention the wars, gas, and housing prices.
I know a lot of people are low information but since this issue in my perspective is aggravated and accelerated by so many factors, it still baffles me that people accept the solution is more Republican trickle down economics and tariffs which seem like they’re just going to make the problem worse for everyone.
Portions in North America are HUGE.
The restaraunt portion thing is… a big problem. Here’s what I think is going on.
I’m pretty sure that it has more to do with profitability than customer demand, although it’s gone on for long enough perhaps it’s both by now. The key here is that food sales have pretty thin margins (except for soft drinks which are outrageously marked-up everywhere). If a restaurant chain suddenly downsized their portion sizes, people would realize very quickly that the price hasn’t scaled down to the same extent, as the current portion sizes are inflated to mask how much food service really costs. There’s a price floor to remain profitable and I think it’s a lot higher than people realize.
Blessed be the fruit.
May the lord open
As a fruit, I know I’m blessed but they seem to disagree
blessed be the groceries
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Definitely thought this was a statement on Amish Pennsylvania at first… cuz that’s just how markets look like there lol
only things he has brought down so far are morale and the IQ of the office
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These memes demonstrate that Democrats and people who obsess over politics online know nothing, learned nothing, and it wouldn’t surprise me if four years of fascism isn’t enough to change their behavior.
Yes.
Voters told Democrats that their biggest concern was poverty and the economy. They not only nominated someone with evident brain damage, but said candidate presided over severe inflation that had workers enduring 2-3 jobs just to be stuck unable to pay for basic necessities, and they wasted two months telling these struggling workers to be joyful, without any irony or concept of how tone-deaf that was.
Here in deep-red Missouri, we passed a $15 minimum wage and mandatory sick leave in a landslide. We voted down the abortion ban in a landslide. We also elected a Republican for governor and voted Trump as a state.
This should tell you that yes, the economy was in fact the most important issue on the ballot, not putting women in their place.
