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    Plain and simple… She was a woman, and a black person - There will be months of tap dancing and “deep” analysis, but we’re just an ugly, atrophied, broken, racist and patriarchal nation, like deep down in our DNA. We were able to elect Obama, yes - he is half white, and a man (those weren’t the loud messages as they attacked him, but Pennsylvania gramma knew those things quietly when she pulled the lever for him). It’s not satisfying, but it’s just the plain truth here. We’re closer to getting over race than we are over sex.

    Plenty of deliberate work has been done, mostly by republicans, to keep America stupid, poor and in untreated pain, yes… But we’re also just trash on the whole. We raise trash and we vote for trash. We just aren’t smarter than social algorithms, TV soap opera narratives, costumes and makeup. “The pretend business man is white, old, wears a tie and has a gold watch. He feels like how daddy felt when I was little, and when things are bad, daddy fixed them the way I remember it.”

    Video game trolls, people who failed the cop application physical and triple DUI wine moms are America. No further explanation or analysis needed.

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      I remember hearing many democrats that joked how they voted for the white side of Obama. It wasn’t funny and isn’t funny now. They are not only voting against a woman but one of color.

      We are going let christian fascism take control of America because a large portion of our population is sexiest, and racist. Not to mention all those protest votes or fucker who sat on their couch rather than do the right thing.

      Now we are all fucked.

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      Obama was a unique situation in that he was both an incredibly charismatic JFK-style figure and ran after the Republicans had managed to both start a very unpopular war and destroy the world economy.

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      Plain and simple… She was a woman, and a black person

      She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

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        What does “doing better” mean to you in this day and age in that context? Polls are no longer a viable tool. They are captured, manipulated and heavily biased. They ask misleading questions and ask them of non-representative populations.

        Very big difference between “doing better” in “the race” and casting your vote on election day. Again, gramma in Pennsylvania didn’t think Kamala was doing better, or really she didn’t care what she was doing, because there was just one “key issue” that gramma would never get onboard with for Kamala… Gramma didn’t talk about that issue during “the race”, but she was thinking about it when she pulled the lever.

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        She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though

        Was she really though? She couldnt identify a single thing she’d do differently than Biden, who has a truly remarkable and historic level of low approval.

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      Should have stuck with the British Monarchy, powerless as it comes. A woman as head of state for 70 years and even better, no elections for any president during any of time.

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      Dems had the house for 12 years the past 16. Nothing really changed.

      People have claimed Harris wasn’t capable of leading. They got their undeserved confirmation when she turned out to be a no show for 14 hours yesterday.

      You construct a Strawman. If the Dems pulled a capable and charismatic woman out of the top hat she would be able to win.

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        “People have been saying…” - oh fuck you, dude.

        First sentence is just beyond stupid. Ignores so many nuanced changes, recovery of the economy from COVID not the least of it and just oblivious to the overall balance of power along the way with an unreasonable, obstructionist gop opposing progress at every turn, even to spite themselves on things like the border bill and the infrastructure bill more recently.

        “Enough” is never done, but that’s a problem with overall politics, mixed with subjective perception. But your ignorant oversimplification here just has no place in a conversation among adults. Maybe go play with the dirt outside or go point at the pictures in that puffy book you love about firetrucks while you shit yourself?

        Your statement is just hollow. It’s defiantly ignorant, smug, selfish, cowardly and just overall, you seem to (without further qualification) fucking suck. To have failed you this poorly, can also confidently assume that your family is just generations of disappointment in front of and behind you. You’re useless lumps, impotently screaming at the sun… At least that’s what “People have been saying…”

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          Why did you put in quotation marks to your sentence?

          You’re just salty you got red pilled.

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    Wisconsin, US here. My county went 70% for Trump this time. That’s versus ~48% in 2016. The problem isn’t democracy. The problem is the people. Pissed as hell for all the wrong reasons at all the wrong people. Unable to see reality, expecting that the person in charge could make it a utopia with the flick of a switch. The average American is delusional and irreparably stupid.

    We constantly joke that it’s Idiocracy, but the truth is…

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      Thank you for saying it. The voter is the fucking problem. Anyone with half a brain realizes this. Gaza, egg prices, and the candidate not having a dick was enough to the traitor rapist felon to get a trifecta. That’s not a campaign problem. Maybe Harris didn’t run a perfect campaign, but that’s clearly not the issue here

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        I’m not American. Maybe my opinion also comes from a place of not understanding how government works in the US. But in 2020, Biden won the Presidency and the Democrats had control of the House and the Senate. Yet, they had a harder time of reversing Trump’s policies than he had pushing them through. Let alone not even trying to enact progressive policies.

        As an outside observer, maybe that’s why people have lost faith in the Democratic party.

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          Because you have to consider all the court appointments he made, including the supreme court that he stacked. If the Biden admin did any more, itd just get struck down. The court can basically nullify any law or executive order they want without repercussion. Im frankly shocked he got away with as much as he did

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      It’s funny that you can now actually do a Pro/Con list about the Idiocracy universe over our own:

      Pros:

      • Lots of diversity
      • Black president
      • President listens to advisors
      • Sex work legal
      • Not crippled by religiosity
      • Puts smart people in positions of power and trust

      Cons:

      • Everyone’s stupid
      • No real due process
      • Public executions
      • Misogyny, homophobia, and ableism are rampant

      Same:

      • Police are knuckle-dragging morons who will murder you
      • President has too much power
      • Costco
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    I can’t tell you how much faith I’ve lost in the average person in America, especially compared to how… ok, I guess, the last election went and how tight, or possibly over this one is.

    I can’t fathom how fucking stupid anyone would have to be to elect this orange piece of shit that has been upping the dangerous rhetoric constantly. America is broken and it isn’t worth fixing, especially not for the morons that somehow get him elected again. I just hope that I can get to a point in my career that I can move elsewhere, maybe Ireland or New Zealand or something, fuck.

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    Also say goodbye to internet freedom of speech, if even a small portion of Project 2025 comes into play. Anti-pornography activism sounds nice on paper, until you realize everyone has a different definition of pornography, and the people that want to ban porn the most have a rather interesting take on what constitutes as porn and what doesn’t…

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      FWIW most clowns are hard-working, skilled individuals who bring joy to people’s lives.

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          I know you’re probably joking buttttt, I know a ton and can say it’s a mixed bag … Many clowns are like Santa’s and magicians…they’re not the most forward thinking and take themselves waaaay too seriously. Most new age and haunt clowns are cool peeps. It’s the old school “clowning art” gate keepers and the evangelical clowns that tend to be insufferable. Heavy mean girl vibes.

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            I was actually wondering because i dont know much about clowns, it’s interesting, iv heared only about some Gracy or Gacy clown but forgot what was the thing about him

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    US is system is so bad. The constant pandering to “founding fathers” as if it’s even possible to have strong enough vision that it would last 200+ years and refusal to innovate past the ridiculous two party system is just sad tbh.

    Yet nothing will change because you can’t change these things without a revolution apparently.

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    What??? We literally saw democracy play out. You can’t even use the excuse that he lost the popular vote, he won every type of democratic way we have.

    You know what wasn’t democracy? Installing candidates into primaries over democratically popular candidates. Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 and Kamala in 2024. In every single one of these primaries, they did everything they could to shut down anyone popular who showed any sign of having a backbone, even though they killed democracy as it happened.

    What we saw was a backlash to a stifling of democracy. Democracy won last night.

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    Not that I’m advocating for it, but it’s completely legal for Biden to order the assassination of Trump and Vance. So yeah, US democracy is dead.

    I hope the American people will resist any draconian measures there are bound to be, whether with civil unrest or other forms of protest.

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        Ok correction, it’s not legal, the president can just never be punished for it, as he is immune in order to act swiftly and boldly or whatever the fuck the SC came up with as an excuse to make America a Christo-Fascist state.

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          Not true, the Supreme Court decides it on a case by case basis. And murder of a political opponent would land Biden in jail faster than you can say “one Missisipi”. And rightfully so. That’s why he didn’t do anything of the sort - because he is not a criminal.

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            I’m not saying that he should be doing it or that it makes sense. But no, it is very clear from the decision that he would be immune. He has absolute immunity for core powers and presumed immunity for all official acts, which the court left very vague, but didn’t deny would include assassinating political opponents. The dissenting opinion made it very clear that this was the case.

            With that said, in some way you are right. If Biden did it, it would be appealed and the SC would rule that in this specific case he isn’t immune, whereas if Trump did the same, it would be appealed and they would rule that he is immune. Because the SC is corrupt and doesn’t care about precedent.

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              The decision they made wasn’t a precedent, they allowed it as a case-by-case basis. So Biden wouldn’t be able to point to Trump and say “he did it! So it’s legal!”.

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                Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts

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                  Just to add some more fun quotes:

                  In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the President’s motives. Such a “highly intrusive” inquiry would risk exposing even the most obvious instances of official conduct to judicial examination on the mere allegation of improper purpose. Fitzgerald, 457 U. S., at 756. Nor may courts deem an action unofficial merely because it allegedly violates a generally applicable law.

                  This case poses a question of lasting significance: When may a former President be prosecuted for official acts taken during his Presidency? In answering that question, unlike the political branches and the public at large, the Court cannot afford to fixate exclusively, or even primarily, on present exigencies. Enduring separation of powers principles guide our decision in this case. The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official. The President is not above the law. But under our system of separated powers, the President may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for his official acts. That immunity applies equally to all occupants of the Oval Office.

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      resist any draconian measures

      Really bro.

      I bet you wore a mask and took a dozen jabs during that pandemic and like being a sheep.

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    You guys should have listened to Thomas Paine, the only founding father with a clue and a set of principles.

    Topical.

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        • political institutions should promotoe individual rights and social equality
        • critqued organized religion
        • the government should serve the people
        • wrote the famous line “These are the times that try men’s souls” during civil war
        • people have the inherit right to reform and/or dismantle oppresive goverments
        • all individuals possess inalienable rights (human rights basically)

        That’s what I gather from his wiki and some chatgpt queries. Never heard of him before (not an american) but honestly — I’m a big fan now.

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          Didn’t all the founding fathers and every president since then say all of the above?

          We need to praise people more by what they do, than what they say I reckon

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          Sounds nice enough, but not really like an outsider position among the Founding Fathers. OP seemed to be saying that Paine differed substantially from the others in some way, which I would be interested to learn about (not American either, I only have cursory knowledge of the Founding Fathers).

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            Paine was far more radical than the rest of them, and wrote scathing critiques of them that caused him to become extremely unpopular before he died.

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    On the bright side, at least we’ll finally be rid of the motherfucker on Inauguration Day 2029, assuming he doesn’t keel over from oldasfuckitis before then.

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      You think if he still alive and president that he will step down then? Nope one he will have charges dropped against him. Then he will use four years shapping this country into is imagine. By time he done this country will be so fucked there will be no fixing it. And war against climate change is over.

      And if Democrats do happen to run again they will move futher to the right.

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        It will all be about the judges. The last time he was in office, there were more judges appointed than ever before. This time, we will see even more, and at that point, there is no stopping any ridiculous changes that will inevitably be set forth by them to change everything. This will secure everything they want for decades to come. It was hard to see how it would be managed even with democrats winning, but now I can’t see ever bouncing back from this within my lifetime.

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          It is about the judges. That’s the invisible damage that has been there. The judges that have stalled court cases on bathroom bills, the judges who don’t enforce industry regulations, down the the arbitrator who gave everything to my husband because I’m a trans man.

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      I would guess the people behind trump will probably look to get rid of him ASAP since all Trump cares about is himself.

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    Now is time for the “well, if we don’t develop it first, the bad guys will” superpower to show itself off, I guess.