• UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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    6 days ago

    You would have thought that after January 6th/George Floydd protests, and the lack of justice that followed both, would have finally shown liberals they cannot rely on cops and the “justice” system for personal protection.

    Warren vs district of Columbia

    Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales

    Uvalde school shooting

    Yet here we are.

    My body, my choice to protect it the way i wish. Fuck off gun grabbers. Prisoners are forced to give up all their rights and yet they are still not safe in prison. I refuse to be your prisoner.

    SocialistRA.org

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        More protesters would have been shot. The movement would have been demonized even more than it was.

        The protests were already overwhelming peaceful. To re-envision history saying “moars guns” would have helped is pretty bizarre gun nutters nonsense.

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        The BLM protestors who marched with guns in Georgia didn’t get fucked with by the cops at all, because the cops were scared. Look it up.

        Other BLM protestors got beat down by cops in riot gear, in countless examples across the country (when the protestors were unarmed).

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        6 days ago

        Is this a serious question?

        Do you believe armed protesters are easier or more difficult to suppress?

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          I don’t think that question is as simple as you think. Peaceful protest is much more likely to garner public support, at least until things are critical. And taking weapons to a protest in the US seems like an almost guaranteed way to die, one way or another. Not saying the cops are well trained with weapons, but neither are the general public.

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      Some people think that situations where they can rely on others’ strength are normal.

      Thus they may agree with need for weapons and self-defense, because “it’s a dangerous time”, but not when everything is in order again. Not even thinking that said “dangerous time” somehow happened and will happen again.

      Guns are similar to fire extinguishers and defibrillators in that most of time they are not needed.

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      I agree. I would much rather rely on myself for protection. Forget trusting the cops, I don’t trust the prosecutors. There are so many liberal prosecutors who are just drop cases, and judges who set low bail, or refuse to impose certain sentence types on repeat offenders, etc. People who want to take away guns are retards.

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      I choose to protect my body by you not having guns.

      Edit: I don’t, but I think you can see the error in your argument now.

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      You are seriously arguing that the corruption in our police system means there is no protection? This is objectively false.

      I would trust an officer over Ultragagginggunnut any day of the week.

      The only prisoners are our school children who have to drill for gun violence in their school. Kids who live in fear that their classmates will kill them because they brought another gun nutters unsecured gun to school.

      The prisoners are the wives and partners of every abusive gun owner. Scared to leave because they know that it could cost their lives. You ever been raped at gun point? Yeah, didn’t think so.

      The prisoners are our society that has to deal with the commercialization of gun ownership and the radicalization of the NRA. Everyday they make our society more unsafe in the name of profits.

      The problem isn’t guns, it is people like you that think they solve problems. Guns create problems not solve them.

      They need to be tightly controlled to keep them away from people who are mentally unwell. People that think they are the “prisoners” fantasizing about defending their rights and overthrowing the government.

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        You must be white passing and at least middle class to trust bringing the police into any situation.

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          Like anyone who grew up poor you know not to trust anyone including officers. I have called 911 on guys beating their girlfriends. I have had an officer pull their gun on me for no reason. I have lived in big cities, small, and rural so I know a thing or two.

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        I know you got downvoted, but in other countries and anywhere other than lemmy, the US and truth social, this is actually normal

        It’s crazy that extremist groups like the NRA have managed to brainwash so many Americans

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          Oh I know what I was getting into by commenting on their post. I will gladly take downvotes from gun nutters.

          I appreciate what you say though because in the US it seems easy to question your sanity at times.

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            Yep… Whats crazy, is that literally a few months ago, everyone was pointing out how weird the nutters on the right wing are. And how rediculous the gun nuts are

            Now, somehow, there seems to have been some kind of concerted campaign that have made a lot of these people start to act exactly like the extreme right, where shooting seemingly anyone you don’t like is apparently “ok”. But at least a lot of those guys tied them to random conspiracy theories, whereas, what I’m seeing suddenly by some people on the left, is basically just blatant wanting to kill certain people

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              Well gun supporters have been at war with the truth for a long time. People I call gun nutters have an unhealthy obsession with guns. They keep them unsecured and loaded and like to fantasize about killing people in “self defense”.

              America’s obsession with guns definitely cuts both ways but when you compare the left and right wing 95% of attacks come from the right. It is an unfortunate reality but the people who we can least trust are the ones who are the most for guns.

              Really though this is a problem of regulation. Commercial interests have manipulated people into buying tools they don’t need which are misused and cause untold suffering.

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        All of your responses are being downvoted and for good reason. Maybe you need to rethink some things

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          In other countries this is normal. Including here in Australia

          Maybe you need to rethink some things and get some perspective from countries where we don’t have regular mass shootings. Our kids don’t need to do training for school shootings

          What you’re doing clearly isn’t working

          That’s also why we didn’t get people trying to overthrow our Capitol

          It’s absolutely ridiculous at this point for an American to be giving any advice about guns