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    10 days ago

    You forgot the part where the komodo dragon’s “promised land” was full of Phoenician Canaanites they had to genocide first.

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      The same Canaanites from Noah’s son because after everyone was killed by a flood, God deemed Canaan’s blood the good people worth saving?

      He sure seemed to fuck it up and have to wipe out humans quite a few times. But that’s what you get for putting a tree in Eden for no other reason but to introduce sin to the innocent and trick humans into thinking Lucifer was the evil one.

      And now he loves America. Just don’t tell the Italians.

      Starting to see a pattern of bad outcomes for whoever makes a deal with this guy at the time…

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    The irony would be even greater if they were kicking out birds who they accused of displacing the ancient Dinosaurs.

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      They probably looked a lot more like birds than reptiles too because taxonomically speaking birds are actually dinosaurs.

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    The problem is that this argument can really be made both ways. If someone said Israel shouldn’t exist because Palestinians used to live there before that, that’s just essentially the same argument.

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      Even better is that the guy is 42 with no kids. I get that we all technically have ancestry that goes back to the first life on the planet, but this guy suddenly happens to have verified family lineage that goes back farther than any other human on the entire planet… And he’s the last one.
      I pray that he consciously chose not to have kids… I know how soul destroying it can be to want to have kids but not be able to. But this guy… He suddenly, because someone needed a warm body to fill out their numbers to a nice round number, is directly confronted by a family lineage 9000 years old. And he’s the last. What an absolute mind fuck.

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    Hungarian ultra-nationalists: “Since your kind was under my ancestor’s rule, you have to rejoin my country and learn my language, or else you’re a [incoherent antisemitic screaming]!”

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    9 days ago

    So all white people in america and africa should fuck off back to europe?

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      So, listen, I’m not making a case for all of them, but…

      Seriously though white people fucked stuff up for native americans and africans pretty hard, and just because it’s not discussed in the slightest and everyone (white people) pretend it’s not an issue, it doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. It’s less about white people though, and more about capital class that upholds the status quo, the by-product of which is the white supremacy - and that is very parrarel to the zionist claim.

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        I agree. But I think it might be time for humanity to get over this shit. We’ve been killing each other about stuff old people did years and years ago. Let’s move on and use that money and time to improve things for everybody, no matter where you live or what you look like.

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      Well, the Native Americans have actual agreements that were made with the US government, that were then broken immediately by said government. They have the receipts. So this is a bit different.

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      An appropriate response would be that Native Americans are still being oppressed, marginalized, having agreements violated, to this day, that they’re rightly due actual reparations and land back on that basis, but that the statute of limitations for these kind of claims, if you’re trying to devise some kind of universal ethical system to deal with them, may extend 100, 200, 300 years, for various types of claims, but not 2,000. And the population dynamics and methods of displacement and so on are not the same at all either, which have critical implications on who they would expect reparations from. The Palestinian people did not displace the ancient Jewish population - genetically it’s been shown that they’re the descendants of that population, religious identity notwithstanding. The Romans and other groups instigated that displacement. The Jewish groups in the diaspora are not solely descendants of that population either, they’ve intermingled with other populations, such as in Eastern Europe. Native Americans on the other hand have a direct claim against the people still occupying the land they inhabited, and I’d say have remained a more distinct group today, if you want to deal with the question of ethnic homogeneity (which is of questionable importance in the first place).

      Picture some scenario where you were going to have some kind of hypothetical international lawsuit, assuming all things were on the table in terms of what you could dedicate for reparations, and that you’re just slapping reparations onto different ethnic groups for their historic grievances. Who would the Jewish people as a whole be looking for reparations from first? The Post-WWII migration was spurred by Nazi Germany. They were alienated of their property in Europe. Germany pays some marginal form of reparations today, but for some reason the question of their compensation has been answered by depriving a completely unrelated people of their rights. What cause of action do the Jewish people have against Palestinians? None. The Palestinians today have a cause of actions against the subset of Jewish people who participated in their ethnic cleansing and genocide. The situation is not comparable to that of European settlers vs. Native Americans at all, unless you invert it to say, the Native Americans have a cause of action against European settlers for ethnic cleansing and genocide. What you are doing is inverting it into some hypothetical situation where Native Americans have performed ethnic cleansing and genocide against white people, which they have not, not in any meaningful sense. The way you have to understand these questions is that one group has been put into a lesser position of wealth and privilege than another, and that attempts to deal out justice would have to resolve that imbalance, but only to the extent that it’s reasonable and just.

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        What reparations are owed to the Indigenous people of the Vietnamese highlands, perpetrated against them for centuries against the other Indigenous people of the Vietnam lowlands?

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          I suspect you have better answers to that question than I do. Though the more pertinent question would probably be the reparations they’re owed from the genocide perpetrated against them by the U.S.

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      The cruel reality is that humans kill and steal from each other in competition for resources and security. Doesn’t matter if it’s a bullet to the head or a dishonored agreemen. Land belongs to nobody, and whoever shows up and beats the fuck out of whoever’s there now “owns” it. It is very hard for people to look at several hundred K of years of human history and realize it’s always been this way and never will change.

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    I love it when the folks attempting to talk down to everyone else don’t know how history worked or how all those lines get drawn on the map.

    🍿

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      your comment is ambiguous: are you insulting my opinion or the other opinion? I need to know so I can act accordingly

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      Oh look, someone who thinks all Jews are Zionists and all Zionists are Jewish! I honestly thought they were extinct.

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        That’s not the case at all, you can look at my post history if you want to know the things I think.

        It’s just you generally want to avoid antisemitic tropes when you’re talking about Zionists because antisemites say Zionist when they mean Jew.