guess it was negotiable after all
Well, would you look at that, if it ain’t the consequences of their own actions.
Ain’t going to stop my folks from switching to Linux mint.
Linux Mint Gang!
Are we becoming “I use Mint BTW”?
Well there goes my strategy of turning off tpm to prevent a sneaky upgrade.
What’s the current best way to prevent an unwanted Windows 11 upgrade?
Linux.
I say this as someone using Win11. I’m okay with using it, but if you don’t want to, then just go to Linux.
You can still do that, the article is fucking stupid. If you don’t have the correct requirements you will never get Windows 11 officially. You can however create a custom install of Win 11 using tools like Rufus to bypass the TPM requirements.
The point of the change is that now if you install it on an unsupported machine, you won’t get any official support; they’re not stopping you from messing with the OS installer but you will still NOT get the upgrade officially and if you do upgrade and find some issue they ain’t helping you.
IIRC they used to pester users with this unsupported setup to upgrade to a correct setup and they won’t do that any more.
I don’t want Windows 11. It performs like shit. But I guarantee this will lead to sneaky upgrades.
Many people are going to say Linux. It’s probably annoying to hear, but its just the truth at this point. It probably seems daunting to switch over, but let me give you a very brief suggestion from a beginner on how to smooth over the transition.
Load up youtube and watch a few videos reviewing linux distributions for beginners just to see what’s recommended. My personal recommendation is to stick with a distro that uses KDE Plasma as the desktop environment since it will be very familiar coming from Windows. Once you decide what looks best for you…
Check and see if your computer has an available SATA port on the motherboard. If it does, grab yourself a SATA SSD and put your choice of a Linux distribution on it. Once Linux is up and running, set your BIOS to boot into Linux by default. Use Linux for everything you can and slowly migrate your workflow over to the new OS. Keep Windows as it is on its original drive and boot into it whenever you encounter something that doesn’t work or you haven’t set up on Linux yet. Don’t stress about rushing through this part. You have almost a year before Win10 is unsupported. Take your time and enjoy the process.
Over time, your Linux OS will become very useful for you as you uncover more ways to use it instead of Windows and Windows will be reserved for those infrequent edge cases where your needs are not met by Linux. This decouples you from the Microsoft ecosystem, making their enshittification less impactful on your life. I followed this exact path and I’m now a near full-time Linux user with Nobara as my chosen distribution and I could not be happier. I love my PC again.
The only thing I use Windows for now is sim racing games, as I haven’t yet dedicated time to find out how to get the expensive sim racing peripherals I own working on Linux yet. Apparently it’s possible and some people have had great success with it. This is something I will be actively working on over the coming year. Everything else I own runs perfect on Linux. I run a home studio so that means a lot of audio peripherals and specialized software. For 95% of my use case, Nobara just works.
The transition will take some work, but in the end if you can get yourself away from dependence on Windows, the options and freedom available to you expand like crazy. Its worth it just to show Microsoft that no, they no longer have a stranglehold on desktop PC users. The more we engage with non-mainstream options, the more the mainstream has to behave itself.
I’m actually doing what you are suggesting for about a month or so now, and i’m also on Nobara!
Today i booted windows for the first time in 2 weeks, just to change the date format as kde wasn’t booting for some weird ansi character problem in the date. Apparently I changed the time on the motherboard and broke something.
That said, i’ve been playing games with basically 0 issues so far (many indies, rdr2 and a copule others) and doing what i usually did on windows.
Hot damn, that’s awesome. Glad you’re enjoying it! Nobara is great!
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It really depends on your hardware. With an AMD video card, it works blissfully.
Not sure why someone downvoted you, so have an upvote. The peripherals thing for gaming is a tough one for sure.
Thanks. Some people are Linux super fans. They don’t like to admit there’s a bad use case for it.
I take no pleasure in pointing out the deficiency. Wish I had the expertise to help fix it.
The community is definitely working hard on getting peripherals working. I’m kind of amazed by how much better things have gotten in the last 5 years.
Installing XP? I don’t think you’ll get any upgrades.
Uninstalling that fucking malware?
Do not use Windows :D
I still cannot understand the utiliy of tpm, except for tricking tech illiterate people to spend money on a new pc.
It’s OS level DRM.
It’s a way of tying an encryption key to the processor. Depending on how you look at it that’s either a good way to ensure your disks aren’t readable if they’re separated from your machine or a vendor lock-in.
Man, I recently ran into this shit when I bought a computer for my patents. I wanted to upgrade their hard drive and the fucking thing wouldn’t boot unless I fully cloned the original hard drive into the new one.
I never even knew about this fuckery
It certainly can be a pain in the proverbials. It’s one of those things that can be good or bad. When it’s the end user deliberately choosing to use it, it can provide extra peace of mind and lock down certain attack vectors, when it’s the vendor doing it, it’s just a way to make it harder to service your machine. That it also still locks down certain attack vectors is almost a byproduct in that scenario.
Where’s the source for the supposed U-turn? I only see the article defending TPM.
I’m going to be honest here. If someone asks you for Windows help and you comment to tell them to use Linux, you’re an asshole, not clever.
I would say that depends on why they are asking for help, you have got to get to the root of the issue first.
Some people can’t see the problem because of the trees.
If your problem is not with windows, but windows at it’s core… Then the solution is to move. You also have Mac if that makes you happy
The problem is that Linux just isn’t usable for the largest home computing demographic.
Linux users can’t even agree on anything significant to make progress on the distros because they’d rather abandon it and try again in a new setting. It feels like a modpack of the month, year, etc, at this point. Unstable, filled with crashes and bugs, even fedora. Incomplete documentation with half defined terms and uses due to the constant splintering. It makes it worse to learn than whatever the fuck is Microsoft’s shit documentation.
I guess you too only see the trees. A solution is not to leave the forest but to bend the trees to your will. Wherever the forest is, instead of cowering before it. A shoddy tradesman blames his tools and all that.
The largest home computing demographic only needs a browser, that’s why a lot of people are OK with Chromebook or even tablets/phones. Definitely they don’t read documentation.
Not for you? OK, don’t use it. But don’t assume it’s not for other people, specially when they are having issues with the alternative.
The people who only use a browser are supposed to understand the obfuscation issues Linux has, something that even the fedora installer is renowned for struggling with?
I never said it wasn’t for them, the person pushing others to go to Linux because of an issue with windows was doing that.
I merely said that’s ignoring the direct issue and the underlying complications those pushing for Linux constantly ignore for new and beginner users. Folks should instead make with what they have, what they can.
It’s the equivalent to asking for help with a car issue and being told to buy a new car. Ignoring the learning curve, time, and setup. A bootable drive is a complicated thing to understand for the largest demographic.
Also notice how you said Chromebook or Android, however not any proper Linux distro because it sadly isn’t there for the hobby enthusiasts. Only a large organization was able to standardize and solve the main issues with Linux by completely neutering. The same way windows did before it, but at that point you’re arguing the lesser evil when the point of Linux is to be free of those evils.
The people who only use a browser are supposed to understand the obfuscation issues Linux has, something that even the fedora installer is renowned for struggling with?
What obfuscation issues? I don’t want to pick much on this because it’s probably a typo or mistranslation, but it’s very weird.
I merely said that’s ignoring the direct issue and the underlying complications those pushing for Linux constantly ignore for new and beginner users. Folks should instead make with what they have, what they can.
No, folks should make informed decisions. If somebody can move from windows to Mac or vice versa, they can use Mint.
It’s the equivalent to asking for help with a car issue and being told to buy a new car. Ignoring the learning curve, time, and setup. A bootable drive is a complicated thing to understand for the largest demographic.
No, buying a new car is the equivalent to what Microsoft is telling them (buy new PC) if they want to have an OS with security updates.
Also notice how you said Chromebook or Android, however not any proper Linux distro because it sadly isn’t there for the hobby enthusiasts
No, I told because those are mainstream. Stop projecting your opinions.
Let’s agree to disagree.
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Linux has a lot of issues with information being hard to find. Not purposely or done with malice. Just an issue inherent when dealing with hundreds of distros, versions, and hardware variables alone are a bitch.
I love Linux btw, it just sadly isn’t there for my use case. It’s not the community, it’s just a slow and arduous transition. Just a good emp away from a reform lmao
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That’s the beauty of the internet friend. They have information, p2p, and hope. :)
However when you ask for help unscrewing a rounded Phillips, someone will tell you about the optimal screw to prevent it. It’s helpful, but most people are just trying to fix their shit and don’t design it.
Both CAN be true about the car example, that’s the beauty about information! We are well informed.
Please recommend me distros is what that means, I’d love to learn about them. Sadly everything I’ve tried is unstable or constantly deters me from doing anything right when I want it.
Microsoft is dog shit but it just works, that’s the benefit. The same benefit android has nowadays, which Google used to help make ChromeOS a smooth transition. I miss old android phones, trackball on android 4 was still a blast even with the 5 minute boot and overheating.
They’re downvoting you though, so that means they’re right and Linux is perfect and everything runs on it with no manual work needing to be done at all. We’re just idiots of course.
The community always says Google, but yet don’t understand that the issue is a language barrier.
From speaking, living, and understanding in this architecture. You lose all contextual understanding and with it the ability to word your problems.
The flatpacks have definitely revolutionized Linux for home usage, however the way they are hierarchie’d causes issues in my opinion. Fedora is getting there and I’m excited to try bazzite once the holidays are over.
I can’t wait for virtualization to be fully adapted for hardware. Directly reserving the hardware to certain uses would reduce the need for 4 PC’s in my use case.
Windows user asking for help with Windows != Windows user complain about Windows overall.
The first case, ok: you’re being an asshole, answer to questions not made just because you want to feel clever.
Second case, well, we need to check the specific wording/complains. But generally speaking, if someone complain about train or how train make them sick, you may as well introduce them to the concept of airplane/bus/carsharing/teleport or whatever.
In Linux case, I’ll go with sort of reply: “give it a try with this live [reliable] Linux disrto, if like the experience, you may as well try dual booting”
What if I tell them to use Haiku?
I think this is the source for the article
This is misleading, tech linked did an explanation about this the other day https://youtu.be/Jio-Wq11K80
You bet they make it a requirement again, after most Win10 users downgraded?
As a result, some consumers resorted to purchasing TPM modules for their existing hardware, while others turned to customized Windows 11 ISOs that bypassed the TPM requirement entirely.
Who is doing this?!? If you are a business user, your company should pay for a new PC. If you are a gamer, you have a year to upgrade your MB. Everyone else has a year to figure out if Linux is right for them. At this point, Linux can perfectly cover most non-business users or those who are not multiplayer online gamers.
I play Xonotic btw. You can play minecraft and terraria on Linux too.
I play tons of games on Linux. I was mainly referring to AAA online multiplayer games with anti-cheat like COD, Valorant, Apex Legends, etc.
I got the notice to update to 11 a long time ago, then months later a notice my work laptop did not comply with requirements of TPM, but CPU OK.
For my HP workstation it had TPM 1.x and there was a firmware update that brought chip up to TPM 2.0. After I did that the W11 then said CPU doesn’t pass.
Then recently CPU is fine. LOL
They don’t even know what they want.
For home stuff everything is moved to Linux.
