Come to think of it, the Jedi are kinda dicks, they prevented anakin becoming a master despite his obvious talented skills in saber combat and his power in the force.
Not to mention, lore wise they let mundi have relations with his family where as it would’ve been a kick out for anakin.
Lastly, the jedi were sorta arrogant for thinking that nothing was wrong or that they were perfect despite having literal counterarguments from rebellious masters, Qui Gonn being a good example of somebody smelling the bullshit that the jedi were involved in.
So my fellow sith lords and jedi knights, what say you?
He clearly proved that he wasn’t ready to be a master - it’s not like a martial arts rank that you mostly just get because you’re skilled, they also want you to be able to embody the ideals they stand for (flawed as they may be).
They certainly could have trained him better, but that makes them idiots, not assholes. But first and foremost, their most important failure was not detecting that Palpatine was a sith.
Mundi had a special exemption because his species was going extinct, and it was always supposed to be about attachment anyway - it’s plausible that Mundi was able to produce offspring without personal attachment. Anakin could never have done it like that.
I don’t know if it’s cannon anymore, but mundi definitely didn’t have attachment towards his children.
He was abusive and completely detached
More than that, they’re just stupid.
Here’s just one example of dumb Jedi stuff. I just rewatched the prequels and it occurred to me, that Anakin didn’t really suddenly turn to the dark side because his mom died. He turned to the dark side because he didn’t have any friends to check him when he’s being a douche bag… The dude literally has nobody to talk to except for Padma, and he’s forbidden from pursuing a romantic relationship with her, which is super frustrating. This is a scenario destined for failure. What he really needs are some friends he can talk to and vent at about his shitty situation.
Here’s the weird thing though, remember that scene where Yoda is training a whole class of little padawans? Those padawans at least have a cohort, they have a group they can bond with and lean on as they grow up and continue their training. So if that’s the way they run things, where is Anakin’s cohort? Why is he isolated? Anakin has a single person as his mentor, boss, teacher, therapist, dad and only friend, that’s not really healthy. And when that one person is gone for an extended period, that leaves Anakin with absolutely no support structure and a lot of temptation to make bad choices, this is setting him up for failure. Cause let’s be honest, he’s a teen, making bad choices is what they do.
The whole reason they didn’t want to train him in the first movie was that he’s too old.
Anakin shouldn’t have been a master. Being good at fighting doesn’t make you a good leader. The Jedi aren’t Klingons.
100%
The Jedi weren’t “good” they were the absent of evil and that will never be enough for a just society because evil will exploit it eventually.
I’ve always considered, seperate to this larger discussion, that the Jedi are saying one thing and believing another uncritically. They want to bring balance to the force… By eliminating the sith.
Balance. A state of equilibrium. Notoriously not very well known for existing in a system where one of two elements has been removed.
“Only a sith deals in absolutes”. Complete unthinking hipocracy in the name of the light.
“You were supposed to bring balance to the force”
Here’s the prophecy:
Only through sacrifice of many Jedi will the Order cleanse the sin done to the nameless. The danger of the past is not past, but sleeps in an egg. When the egg cracks, it will threaten the galaxy entire. When the Force itself sickens, past and future must split and combine. A Chosen One shall come, born of no father, and through him will ultimate balance in the Force be restored.
Ultimate balance in the force really seems like it very well could mean “no more Sith and no more Jedi” to me.
I think if you only watch the original trilogy, Jedi are the good, pure, saviors of the galaxy and rebels of the established order and the sith are evil overlords who rule by their own design.
When you watch the original you see how the Jedi appear good and balanced, but over the trilogy become less focused on ruling by laws and more on feelings. Clearly bypassing their own laws as it suits those in charge.
Subsequent tv series continuously adds to that mindset that the Jedi were flawed, and sometimes outright dangerous.
I always saw the Jedi assuming the chosen one myth was about the Jedi becoming the absolute rulers so egotistical, they were destined to fail.
And as flawed as the new trilogy is, it follows that path, leading to Rey becoming a true balanced force user, neither Jedi or sith. And both have seemingly been destroyed otherwise. So Rey is really the chosen one
Well I mean, what did you expect with space samurai?
The Jedi order is 15% vague Eastern Philosophy that George Lucas half-remembered. 75% of cannon events trying to ret-con this philosophy into the media. And 10% of fan wishful thinking.
They barely do anything in the prequels to give motive to Anikin’s rebellion. The only times it’s seriously covered in the Disney cannon is a few episodes of Clone Wars where the council abandons Asoka, and some plot-lines that were teased in a canceled show.
The Clone Wars was before Disney. But yes.
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Not to mention the Jedi take younglings for training while the Sith simply wait for them to make a choice.
Being a master isn’t just about skill, it’s also about wisdom and experience, perhaps even more than skill. It’s perfectly reasonable that they wouldn’t want to elevate him to that rank yet, given his behavior.
+++ They fucked up many things during the clone wars/prequel period of time, and suffered from hubris and arrogance no doubt. But they were right about that one thing.
They’re a religion, of course they’re assholes.
According to this ancient documentary… Yes. Yes they are.
Well if it’s like real life yes. Everyone is an asshole.
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