• AndrewZabar@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    You really don’t understand the term genocide, then. Or you’re just ignoring its real definition and using it incorrectly to legitimize a warped point of view that has no merit otherwise. But, then that’s all that’s been done recently. Fuck history; let’s all learn from fiction.

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      It’s a genocide

      Genocide

      On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.

      The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.

      So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.

      More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.

      An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that “Israel’s genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole” as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

      Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.

      Others: AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

      Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

      Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

      Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

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      12 hours ago

      “not a people”, oh that’s all right then, nothing to see here, please ignore the murder of tens of thousands of human beings, because, and I quote “they are not a people”.

      …give your head a wobble.

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        11 hours ago

        ”A people” ”people”

        As for the rest, you will believe what you want anyway.

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          11 hours ago

          What word should I use for the murder of 10s of thousands of ethnically and locally connected people Andrew.

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            Sure. Because that’s happening. You trust what you read and hear too easily.

            I have hundreds of cousins several generations worth living in Israel since before 1900 when it wasn’t even Israel yet. I have a straight line to what actually goes on there.

            You don’t quite know that most of what you read is bullshit unfortunately. And yes I have a bias I’m Jewish, but I also abhor violence. The thing is, I’ve lived there and I know what really happens.

            What you call a poor innocent is 99% of the time a terrorist who has committed acts of mass violence.

            The problem is they’re never going to stop, and they’ve been offered so so much. Equality in every way. Multiple times.

            They demand absolutely everything or they will not acquiesce. But go ahead tell me how you solve THAT conundrum? Yeah that’s what I thought. There is NO solution. And so the world wants to paint a picture to get you to think of Israel as the aggressor because you know why? They’re terrified of the Arabs and not of the Israelis. And they’d rather take down the ones who will fall easier.

            Go ahead keep thinking what you do. You’re not the first and won’t be the last to be a sucker for world politics and the fabricated reality you are given to believe.

            You know what? Seek the truth on your own; a stranger online ain’t gonna convince you of shit. I just hope you’ll do a little research on your own not trusting just what you hear from news sources. I have more family history in the region than you can imagine and you’ve been fed a banquet of lies - I’m sorry. You and millions of others.

            And Israel has not always handled everything perfectly. They’re in a scenario where there’s no gentle solution. The Arabs place their military installations in residential zones among the civilians - think about who does that kind of thing? They use civilian deaths as pawns for political image… Israel has always tried to keep those casualties to the minimum. Unlike the U.S.A. who nuked two countries flat.

            What would you do?? A “people” whose military and civilians alike (no not all) suicide bomb cafes and buses and libraries etc. for DECADES. They turn down EVERY reasonable offer for peace treaty. They want EVERYTHING. 🎵“From the river to the sea”🎶 they sing; that’s the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. The East and west borders of Israel. They want all.

            Those same said civilians were recorded on video dancing and celebrating on 9/11 when their Arab compatriots attacked America.

            And so… how would you approach this? Just keep begging for peace while they adamantly refuse every offer short of total ownership of all and everything?

            The new ultra left stance is cowardice. I’m a democrat and cannot stand the right wing; but the far left have become soggy rags. They’re terrified of the Arabs and blaming Jews is comfortable. It’s familiar. It’s always the acceptable last resort. Denial is easier than facing an unstoppable enemy unless you are willing to recognize that peace isn’t in their vocabulary.

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              You believe the media fed to your cousins by their government…

              …why will Israel not let the BBC into Gaza

              …why are they killing people.

              Stop the killing. It’s a simple fucking thing to do.

              Just stop.

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      16 hours ago

      When does one start counting the deaths of a genocide? Do we wait until the last member of a group of people has been killed?

      Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages

      genocide noun

      the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

      Looks like exactly what is happening.

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        No it’s not because the “Palestinians” are not a people. It’s an invented term to give them, collectively, an identity. They’re all just people whose families remained after Israel was formed.

        Are you aware of the geography of the region? Arab Muslims have the entire Middle East pretty much; yet they can’t rest until they also get to have 100% of this little country the size of Vermont? The Jewish people were nearly wiped out in the Holocaust - that was an attempted genocide and they slaughtered 6 million. And so Israel was made so the Jewish people could always have a safe haven. And yet after being under constant attack from every which way ever since, when they decide to take serious action to put an end to decades of terrorists murdering them…. it’s genocide?

        Please stop drinking the ultra liberal kool aide because you’re being lied to. And this is coming from a Democrat myself. Everyone seems to just forget every act of mass slaughter the Arabs commit on Israel, and they weep for these poor people oh boohoo. I’m well aware there are civilian casualties and that’s awful - even though these are the same civilians who danced in the streets and celebrated when the World Trade Center was destroyed in a terrorist attack murder on 9/11.

        Jeez it sometimes just mystifies me how so many people can be so abjectly idiotic because they are just plain cowards or have been thoroughly brainwashed.

        Your view is the wrong side my friend. You really don’t know what you’re talking about. Most likely not your fault though.