I am interested in a community of people of faith who are at the same time on the political left, particularly anarchism, and lgbtq+ inclusion, particularly transgender. I am kinda sick and tired of atheists harassing everyone religious. I don’t care much about the philosophy surrounding it, it is just that their collective behavior is arguably harassment, not a bit different to typical transphobic harassment about delusions etc. I believe that freedom of religious belief is a very basic right for people of all convictions. At the moment there is a huge divide: religious lgbtq+ people who are also anarchist (and might have been ostracized by their religious community on top of everything else) have no place to go without facing atheist harassment, and this is how there is no place to discuss faith together with politics and identity. So, here goes, I want to start this discussion with people who would like to see sth like this happening.
You can have beliefs. But most religions are actively anti-LGBT, so you are in a bit of a pickle here. Associating yourself with an intolerant group is going to attract hostility for people who fight intolerance. And the paradoxical situation you seem to be here leaves you on the wrong side of both sides.
If your beliefs are proper beliefs (and not weird crap from religions) no atheist can ever have an argument against that.
So yes, exactly the fact that many religions are anti-LGBT is a point of identity conflict for many people. Some LGBTQ+ people might have been religious before realizing or coming out. So this is a point of discussion in itself. And most leftish people wouldn’t really care to have it. Ergo, a need for a “space.”
Judging people for their demographic because you associate that demographic with behavior you find unacceptable is dumb
Your judgement is with the behaviour, not the demographic. If you wanna criticize religion’s tendency to advocate cruelty towards queer folks that’s a point worth fighting for, but painting an entire group with the same brush and treating an individual with hostility based on how you perceive others from that demographic is dumb.
That’s the same logic bigotry is often cut from.
Edit: corrected “other” to “others”
It would help if you identified which religion. There absolutely is a vibrant queer pagan community, but it sounds like that’s not what you’re talking about.
I don’t have a need for this sort of community, but if you want a queer theists comm you should try making one. Though there may not be enough folks to sustain it; here on lemmy there often just aren’t enough people to sustain small niche communities because if there aren’t posts, nothing shows up on people’s feed, and people forget the community exists. Which is a challenge since most people just lurk and don’t post.
As an atheist myself I really don’t see why so many people have decided to attack you for your way of relating to the world, unless there’s some context I’m missing. The important thing is that you’re kind, not whether you think there’s a god or not.
Judging people for their demographic like what religion they subscribe to rather than how they treat people is stupid. If you’re a dick you’re a dick, and if you’re not a dick you’re not. It’s not complicated.
I don’t give a shit if someone is religious, I give a shit if you’re kind. My apologies for the shitty attitude of replies in this thread OP
Each day on Lemmy I scroll and scroll and then I reach a headline where after reading it I have to parse what it says. And then I realize it’s gibberish. And then I realize it’s the bottom of the feed and what I’m reading has a negative score.
Today this was that post.
I’m pretty sure my church’s diocese allows gay and women priests, but I think for a lot of people it’s kind of a “too little, way too fucking late” type of thing.
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