We’ll see what happens in 2025, of course.
These dumbasses. Can they read the first fucking sentence? They quote it all the time, maybe try reading it. It says
“We the people…”
Not
“We the people and invisible dieties…”
Nobody is coming down from on high to save us. It’s only us to solve every problem.
They like to point out the religious language in the Declaration of Independence as if it’s a legal document, which it is not.
The story is much more enlightening, and frankly, more educational than this meme projects. Yes, it’s correct, at least on a surface level, but there’s also the reason they decided to create a secular state. Namely, even though they were all, broadly speaking, Christians or Christian-inspired deists, they also recognised that Christianity came in hundreds of different flavours, not all of which are agreeable. They recognised that a religious state would have to pick a side in all of the hundreds of different spats that Christians have gone through over the most minute details of their dogma. Furthermore, they also realised that a state is most fragile when it is just founded, and thus, to survive, the state would have to have as much support as possible. Pretty much everyone was at least begrudgingly satisfied with a secular state.
You see, if they had created a religious country, they could not guarantee that it would stay loyal to whatever interpretation they had settled on. Future governments could, if they were able to, could easily “reinterpret” the state dogma to whatever they wanted. They understood that if the Government had the power to meddle in religious affairs, it was only a matter of time before someone whose religion was not agreeable to take over and start doing things that you don’t like, justifying it with their religion.
Over 250 years ago, when the country was founded, the founders knew better than to believe the hucksterism of religion.
It’s very frustrating that most people, even today, cannot get past the hucksterism of religion.
Jefferson wrote/cut/paste his own Bible removing the magic-y stuff attributed to Jesus.
I read the Constitution in my Bible, so obviously the founding fathers intended this country to be Christian, modeled after the godly mega churches.
I read a lot of Goosebumps and Stephen King when I was a kid. You don’t see me trying to start a government by gluing masks on people and feeding blood to cars. Some people appear capable of reading things without acting upon it and punishing their constituents.
They did however include 30 years of protected slave trade as an unamendable right.
So they still have that in common.
This wasn’t beneficial at the time, and isn’t to this day. Name one time when pointing out hypocrisy has changed a single mind.
Hypocrisy? Instructions on how to properly conduct slave trade are detailed in Leviticus.
If it’s not supposed to be the church then why is the prevailing ideology around here “store brand catholic social theory”?
Because it is not what it is supposed to be.
If it’s not what it’s supposed to be then why is all the messaging around here basically “capitalism=bad, distributism=good”? Ascetic veganism routinely wins out as morally superior to mercantilism on this platform, suppressing Siddhartha’s exit from the woods.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. It wasn’t supposed to be because the founder’s writings and the Constitution says so. Not to mention the never-repealed Barbary treaties which make it explicit that the United States is in no way a Christian country.
You don’t seem to understand the difference between “supposed to be” and “is.”
If the country is supposed to be “not Christian values” then it’s self-defeating to center and amplify Christian values like anti-capitalism, redistribution, and wielding government as a moral authority.
Once again, you seem to have a lot of trouble with the difference between “supposed to be” and “is.”
What is on lemmy is righteous anti-social ascetic retreats into off grid homeschooled veganism. What I’m having trouble with is understanding how that sparks a change toward whatever you think is supposed to be rather than propagating the Christian status quo.
I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. The only change is going to be turning the U.S. into a literal Christian country at the end of January when the fascist dictator takes over.
Why are you making this about me? I didn’t write the Constitution and I’m not Donald Trump either.
