While I get that this is a legal thing…
It also really shows how divorced from where our food comes from people are. Also, how many products that could be called “butter” that are completely artificial and have no dairy content at all.
In the eu terms like butter and dairy can only be used for milk products.
But our legaslative pendulum did swing a bit too far in the other direction (imo): terms like soja-butter and so on were also banned.
Akshually it’s soy margarine
The original intent of that bill was to ban plant-based alternatives from using commonly understood terms and phrases.
It’s not like the EU banning phrases like “soy milk” on packaging was an unintended consequence of some kind of “common sense” law being applied where it shouldn’t be.
The commonly understood term for plant butter is margarine
When you’re at the shop can you grab some peanut margarine and coconut white liquid?
Thanks for the comment, but I’m not at all interested in getting into that argument. Hope you have a great day though!
I thought “butter” was the ingredient!
Costco forced to recall food that was not labeled to the requirements. In this case, the butter is supposed to be labelled as containing milk. Now, you and me, we know that butter is made from milk or cream, but only a great fool would assume everyone knows what they know.
And, these labels aren’t just for the lactose intolerant consumer. The allergen information is fed to computers that handle the automated distribution of products to various uses. That butter might end up as one of a hundred ingredients in a prepackaged donut. If the allergen isn’t on the label, the person doing data entry may not realize it. Disney World killed a doctor just last year because of allergen exposure, and that shit happens all the time. It only made the news because Disney tried to enforce an arbitration clause the husband digitally accepted when he tried out Disney+.
The point is, this is not a story about overregulation or snowflakes being too sensitive. Costco fucked up, and their fuckup puts lives at risk. If you happened to buy the improperly labelled butter, congrats on your good fortune, because Costco is going to pay you for their fuckup. You don’t have to discard perfectly good butter unless you cannot have dairy, and you didn’t yet know that butter contains milk.
Yeah, I work in a restaurant and allergies are a real issue that we deal with nearly every day. There is no such thing as being “too cautious” when you are dealing with the literal life and death of another human.
I have a lot of deadly food allergies, and I just, don’t eat out anymore. Too many trips to the ER. Sucks, cause it makes travel difficult, to plan on cooking my own meals, and basically means I can’t safely travel abroad anywhere I’m not 100% fluent in
Exactly. If I had deadly food allergies instead of uncomfortable ones, I wouldn’t trust a stranger to remember.
If that were true at the very least you would be running around in hazmat suite, desinfecting everything constantly, every person separated in their own little chamber, the food analyzed in the in-house lab to make sure there is not xyz … you get the point, there is a “being too cautious”.
I’m glad you’ve shown up, Most Fun Guy at the Party.
My grandma, in her 86 years of life, still needs to check to see if butter has milk in it. She is the use case you mention that we take for granted! (Although at least the only real fallout of her blunder is indigestion and what she does to my bathroom when she visits and has lactose :x)
Put a sticker on it, make an announcement, done.
Right. That’s what a recall is. Kirkland can’t put stickers on something they have already sold.
They can announce it and that should be enough. Instead they make the butter sound like it has something wrong with it so people turn it in.
I’m really confused about what you think should be done differently. A product recall is an announcement that there’s something wrong with the product, and an offer of a refund. The “something wrong” is that the allergen info was not properly labelled. It’s your choice whether you want to get a refund or not.
The news media is trying to make it sound like stupid government and stupid consumer protections and stupid regulations, when in fact it was stupid manufacturing.
The completely reasonable thing you said you wanted is exactly what is happening, and you’re mad about it and blaming the thing that’s working exactly to your benefit and exactly the way you want it to, because that’s the intent of the article.
You, right now, are being manipulated to manufacture outrage. It’s being done by people who want to profit from exploiting you. They want deregulation, so they will spin every story into something that makes you angry at regulations, especially when it is entirely reasonable and good government.
I saw it reported both ways. The outrage way, where “OMG, the stupid government is wasting food” and at first the recall way, where you must return the butter because it will kill you and there is something wrong with it. There shouldn’t be a recall at all, just an announcement that the butter wasn’t labeled properly for people allergic to milk products.
News is a product, and hype is marketing. Getting you to consume their content is a sale, and they are comfortable lying to you to get you to read it. But notice that in both cases, the message is that government is ineffective. Either it is an overreaction or an utter failure at protecting consumers. Both are lies.
There shouldn’t be a recall at all, just an announcement that the butter wasn’t labeled properly for people allergic to milk products.
That’s a recall. Even if it’s just an announcement with no further action, it’s called a recall. In this case, it is a Class 2 recall, which means low risk and minimal effort. Retailers and distributors cannot continue to sell an improperly labelled product, so they are returning it to the manufacturer so it can be relabelled and sold, or discarded. Consumers are told they can discard it if they have a milk allergy, or they can use it because there’s nothing else wrong with it. If there is waste, it is the manufacturer’s fault. The system is working as intended with good effect.
There should be a recall, because the butter wasn’t properly labelled and they need to let people know, even if there is minimal risk.
Thanks for the informative post. I was all ready to poke fun at this move.
You’re not alone. The news media is a shit-stirring business run by oligarchs who want you to question science and government regulations. This is a relatively benign example, but it’s a transparent one. The way the headline grabs you, the way it’s written, and the social media commentary, it’s all created to benefit the wealthy and make you think you’re on their side.
Couldn’t have solved this issue with a big batch of stickers?
That’s probably what will happen – stickers and restock.
For stuff still on the shelf, probably. For stuff already sold, no so much.
For the stuff that’s already sold, they don’t have to destroy it, or do anything really, unless the customer returns it. Hardly any are going to. If the article counts those in the headline number, it’s being a little dishonest.
American and our lack of brains
Couldn’t this be solved by printing some stickers?
I can’t believe it’s butter!
Cool, a headline framing regulation as wasteful, not a fascist wedge at all
What do folks think butter is made out of?
A lot of things, actually. Milk is so clearly and consistently marked as an allergen that I’ll often as a vegan just check the allergens if I don’t have any reason to suspect the use of meat products, meat byproducts, honey, or non-allergenic dairy ingredients.
I would probably still do a double-take and check the ingredients here, but with the movement to plant-based alternatives, you never know if someone who treats this the same way I do as basically a gold standard (because that’s what it’s supposed to be) will simply take it at face value. It’s also plausible that someone without strong English literacy but with such an allergy would rely solely on the basic allergen label rather than trying to parse more complicated English words.
The reason it has to be strictly enforced like this too is that if you justify this as “well everyone knows
it’s Buttersbutter, so it doesn’t really need a label”, then it’s not as trustworthy and therefore efficient to those who need it, and it risks drawing a line where not everyone is on the same page.Yeah, I agree. You generally want things to be easy to understand, more so if there are significant consequences for getting it wrong. Making sure that allergens are properly listed lowers the risk of someone accidentally buying something they shouldn’t.
Also, while this case is pretty obvious, is important to always insist that all major allergens are listed. Otherwise companies will slack off or make bad calls about when an allergen is obvious. It’s like with guns: You should always treat them as ready to fire even when you think you know they’re not because a mistake might get someone killed.
Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
These are a few of my buttery things
Next you’ll tell me that brown sugar isn’t just brown sugar and table salt isn’t just salt!
okay guys hear me out. what if instead they gave all 80,000 butters to me. i’m one or the most lactose tolerant people i know, and i promise to put it all to good use.
i promise to put it all to good use
You’re going to take a butter bath, aren’t you?
you don’t need to worry about that part. just give me the butter and i’ll take care of the rest
If it was already sold I doubt anyone would return it.
Vegans: I felt tricked
It won’t say cow dairy so they can still get off on a technicality!
But that’s not true? Butter is only the fat (and some minerals) of the milk. So milk contains butter but butter contaibs no milk.
The churning process isn’t 100% effective at removing water, proteins, etc, so people that are allergic to milk can also react to butter. The milk isn’t “milk” anymore, but it would be more confusing to say “contains milk fats, proteins, sugars, enzymes, hormones, antibodies, mucins and minerals”, IMO.
Ah, ok.
Come on, man! At some point people need to be accountable for their own ignorance. If you don’t know that butter contains milk, then you have bigger problems than lactose intolerance.
If you let the companies get away with this, they’ll use it as an excuse to get away with more. The enforcement isn’t about this mistake specifically, it’s about keeping consistent practices and preventing precedents.
That’s a good point that I didn’t consider.
