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    17 days ago

    The sooner we realize the “left vs right” battle is a facade put up to distract and divide us, the sooner we realize what terrifies the upper class: we’re much stronger together.

    Unless you’re a Nazi, then you can get fucked.

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      Bernie said it in 2000. The right uses single issue tactics to divide us. The real war is against the rich and poor.

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        Bernie has been speaking truth to power on this longer than I’ve been alive, which is why the ruling class killed both his presidential campaigns.

        Now, we’re seeing the logical conclusion that plays out when people feel like there’s no way to win this fight at the polls.

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          Amusingly, this kind of thing makes me think about gun laws.

          Everyone believes it’s impossible for gun control, but I would bet my life that if the rich got too unsettled we would see some swift and heavy restrictions set up.

          It’s all class warfare. Always has been.

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      17 days ago

      But how will red Fascists justify their governments if they can’t claim the people wanting freedom are evil?

      What of course doesn’t disagree any bit to what you said. But expect some coordinated and well founded opposition every time you try to claim “left” and “right” are bullshit.

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        That’s true, but the opposition has shown their strategy already: to redirect public unrest towards marginalized groups and social policies, and away from the bourgeoisie. The result is right-leaning people getting captured in a funnel that starts with “society is too woke” and ends in full blown fascism.

        So how do we counter it? By maintaining a grassroots effort to bring people out of that funnel by showing worker solidarity and uniting against the ruling class.

        If you push someone away because they voted for the wrong candidate or don’t agree with you on some social cause, some fascist talking head on YouTube will be right there to swoop them up.

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      Seriously. There have been profiles of his online interests. He clearly was not a political partisan. What he was more than anything was anti-establishment. He was a big fan of both AOC and Joe Rogan. However, the corporate media is doing what it always does - try to divide us along artificial partisan lines.

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    17 days ago

    The political spectrum is fake bullshit made to divide the working class. The only ideology of the oligarchs is the acquisition of wealth, and they will assume any political persona in the pusuit of it.

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      Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.

      • George Orwell, 1984

      The practical ethos of every authoritarian in history (including the self-styled “champions of the proletariat”) is:

      It’s not just that I have a lot; it’s that I must always have more than everyone else, and they must be compelled to desire this. Forever.

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          Unfortunately people don’t often know about their own potential for negative outcomes when they experiment with a new drug. Plenty of people with undiagnosed mental health problems out there.

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        Without a doubt, yes.

        I mean you can’t force anyone to think what you want them to, as in it’s not some extremely suggestible state that makes people compliant and obedient.

        But what it does is essentially make you more able to change your opinion. An openness of mind. And right wing rhetoric is very close minded. So making a right winger open minded usually results in them turning to the left.

        Despite his strong connections to the right wing crowd, even Rogan is pretty leftist when it comes to the policies he actually supports, despite being a poorly educated steroid-abusing American meathead.

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        No, I think ppl who say that stuff are full pf shit.

        I’ve tried shrooms, ket, and lsd with a bunch of ppl and I’ll let you know, most of those cunts just keep cunting.

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    I couldn’t give less of a fuck what his political ideologies are.

    It never even crossed my mind he was on the right nor that he would be on the left.

    I will say, doing something for the greater good is a very leftist ideology, however doing something out of anger and vengeance would be more universal. Regardless of motivation, the thing he accomplished will (hopefully) be something that inspires change, specifically in regards to healthcare in the USA.

    I’m not an American, and your healthcare, or lack thereof, isn’t really my problem. That being said, I’m more left leaning, and I believe in social programs (like healthcare for all). I have government healthcare where I am and as someone on the lower end of the “economic ladder” let me tell you, it’s pretty great. Sure, I might have to wait longer for some procedures, but if I’m upset about that, I can go to my GP and have my feelings checked… for free.

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      16 days ago

      Serious question… If you believe in social programs then, wherever you are, what makes you “right leaning”?

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        Actually, that’s a typo. I intended to put left leaning, I thought I put left leaning, and reading it back a moment before seeing your comment, I noticed the error.

        Whoops. My bad.

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        Are you asking all of us? I’m personally a constitutionalist. That never used to be right-leaning, but it’s now forced in that camp. Im also a staunch supporter of biological women’s sports staying that way, and opening categories that incorporate trans men and trans women together in one. Much more interesting sporting that way anyway. Includes everyone, you’ll see more trans men in sports (very few if none as of now) and you get to keep biological women sports as fair as possible.

        Evil, I know. 🙄

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            Sports forced me to what?

            In my reply, I said I’m a constitutionalist. It used to be a thing that wasn’t defined as right-wing, but whatever the new DNC left has become, they’re the ones who are insisting constitutionalists are right-leaning.

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                Sports didn’t. The vocal left insisting that I’m “right” because I want to keep biological women’s spaces for biological women. We can open other categories for trans people to participate in. We can give rights without others being forced to give up their own.

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          Thanks for answering… Personally my thought is that anyone should be allowed to compete in any sport they qualify for… Just add more league levels. Don’t have to name them in a hierarchical way. Sort of like heavy weight vs feather weight… The competition is still going to be good because you’ve divided athletes by ability level, not something as arbitrary as sex or gender assigned at birth. If a woman or trans person can somehow compete with men (assigned at birth) in the NFL, I wanna see that shit. Sure you’d probably just end up with a league full of women, less talented men, and trans people, but at least they’d all be competitive in that league. Shit, maybe if there were some trans women or less skilled men in the “women’s” leagues people might actually watch them. Idk… I’m definitely talking out of turn; personally I think organized sports are as bad for society as organized religion.

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            It’s gets super convoluted at that point. Men and women who have switched genders by way of hormones is an easy solution. You can have the same league levels as we do now, not have to make up a whole bunch of new ones, and you keep women’s sports for assigned at birth

            To be clear, mens sports are usually open sports, they started being called men sports when women had to open up their own, but I think anyone can partake. They don’t, because they lose, and it makes it not fun. So open categories aren’t an answer. But a hormone competitions are a great one. :)

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    This is not about class solidarity. If he’s right (as in correct) he’s right. To deny that because we don’t agree on eventing is stupid

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    My enemies wear suits. Not silly hats.

    I got more in common with the most batshit crazy redhat than I do with any fucking ceo or billionaire.

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    Like many, he was a right-winger until he became the victim of the right wing. Suddenly he became the most extreme example of the “woke” activists he used to attack.

    Your commitment to long-term civilizational success, Elon, is not universally shared

    It’s not even the majority position

    What you call the “woke mind virus” cares about one thing only: equality

    The levelers want to destroy everything because in the rubble we will all be equal

    • Tweet reposted by Luigi, worshipping a capitalist 10x worse than the one he shot
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    actions speak louder than retract, it’s not like big companies actually care about doing good stuff they just want to look good to get a little extra cash

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    It’s not about fucking left and right – It’s a class war. Did you ever hear about the French, or maybe even American, Revolution? Dethrone the King, aka the ruling class.

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    Right winger means “person who shoots CEOs”? Well tattoo a swastika on my forehead and call me traditional because I love right wing ideology now.

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    Haven’t heard that he’s a right-winger, but he is a prep school valedictorian, Ivy League graduate, grandson of a wealthy real estate developer, who did his tech job remotely from Waikiki. Solid working-class stock.

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    I’m not necessarily convinced either, it does seem really convenient how they found him.

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    Apparently, the left is only willing to set fire to themselves for “protest,” while it’s the right-wingers that are actually willing to off capitalist parasites.

    The old anarchists must be turning in their graves.