• u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)@lemmy.sdf.org
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    15 days ago

    He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.

    Publish it then.

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      15 days ago

      He was carrying it around for absolutely no reason and for long enough to get caught with it? Bullshit, it’s manufactured evidence.

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        15 days ago

        First thought that came to mind as well, it sounds very implausible for him to be carrying a manifesto.

      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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        15 days ago

        Well, a YouTube account with the shooters name posted a video today titled “truth” which was basically saying that there were videos scheduled to be made public in the near future (presumably on the same account), which would speak to his motivations and mind set or something of the sort.

        Instead of telling you about it, I would prefer to just link the video, but according to YouTube, the account associated with the YouTube channel has been removed, so you can believe me or not on this. the video was only up for about 4 hours and when I saw it, maybe 30 minutes before it was removed from YouTube, it had 10’s of thousands of views. I know those counters aren’t exactly real time, so it’s not unreasonable to think that upwards of 100k people saw it, maybe more, and unless one of them saved it, it’s likely that nobody else will see it.

      • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.world
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        15 days ago

        Or he consider himself a crusader for a cause more than a vigilante and was carrying it to get more attention to his beliefs.

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          15 days ago

          And yet instead of waiting around to get lots of attention and people *quoting things he said before cops arrived he quietly got on a bus. Doesn’t track.

          *fucking worthless autocorrect

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      15 days ago

      Give them time to write it up! They police are having problems with the shared Google Doc permissions.

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    14 days ago

    I love how transparent the billionaire media is now. everything I’ve heard about this guy is a character assassination or speculative at best.

    they even mobbed the highschool he graduated from…EIGHT YEARS AGO. All to get some clips they can piece together to fit the narrative that he’s “a bad crazy man with a gun”.

    this shooting has certainly scared the fucking shit out of the aristocracy though. you can tell how scared they are by how hard the media is pushing the story of his capture.

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      15 days ago

      Maybe plotting how to dispose of it, perhaps extra paranoid with how much he blew up. Unfortunately all the memes of him probably helped spread the search for him. Not everyone who saw a meme agreed with his actions.

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        15 days ago

        It was a ghost gun, he could have thrown it into any ditch and not have it traced back to him.

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          15 days ago

          He’d probably be ditching more than just that. He could be caught on a security camera disposing of it which could give further clues. He may also had no intention of disposal and intended to keep the firearm.

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            15 days ago

            There are not security cameras all the way.

            He may also had no intention of disposal

            The whole point of a ghost gun is to be able to throw it away and have it not traced back to you.

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              Private security footage could have caught him disposing, someone could have witnessess and grabbed another photo of him using his their cell phone. He could be worried about finger prints on the gun or other biological clues. And if a ghost gun is so untraceable, keeping it after a crime shouldn’t be proof, because how do you prove it was this ghost gun used in the crime? He could claim he just keeps it for self defense or was interested in how far 3D printed tech has come

              He could be planning another assassination or desire to keep the weapon for self defense purposes. I think you are downplaying the parannoia that would come with such a large scale manhunt accompanied with becoming an internet meme spreading your photo and awareness of your act over night. Paranoia makes you constantly think “but what if?” And that paranoia is even stronger in an extreme circumstance like this.

              The fact is, we may never know why he kept it.

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      15 days ago

      In other threads, people have suggested that he might be carrying the manifesto in case he was shot and killed if/when arrested.

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    There’s a picture of him holding a McD happy meal?? He had the gun and manifesto just laying there in his backpack? You f’ing kidding??

    Some elite fucks used an advanced AI search algorithm to search a bunch of people who vaguely looked like him. Input term search for social media and ‘reviews’ to further narrow down until you find someone who has a few tweets and posts that the media can point to say “yup hey look, he liked Kzynski’s manifesto on goodreads…got the guy!”. Plant evidence, and you got your scapegoat.

    This poor kids’ life is ruined. And he will probably be threatened if he doesn’t plead guilty and waive jury trial. He’ll get a visit from the MIB threatening to skin his family alive in front of him if he doesn’t play along.

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      Reading these fantasy takes is exhausting. It’s hard to want to be a part of a community that supports this guy by gaslighting everyone, saying things like “it’s not the same guy in the four photos!” Just hundreds of people all convinced they can secure this guys freedom by acting dumb and face blind- you’ve created a whole fictional scenario here that’s just unbelievable and unrealistic.

      If he didn’t want to get caught he shouldn’t have left DNA all over, shouldn’t have taken off his mask, shouldn’t be carrying the murder weapon days later… He could have helped himself but instead there’s an army of idiots who are probably just creating this fan fiction to impress their peers. It’s very childish though. This guy tried to do something which is commendable, or maybe he’s just mentally ill, but I’m just tired of reading all this nonsense. Who are you signalling to?

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        15 days ago

        I posted this elsewhere, but this is one of the few times I buy the conspiracy theory, not the official story.

        Dude pulls off a targeted assassination, gets away clean, trolls the cops with a bag of monopoly money, gets out of the state, stays essentially hidden for almost a week… And then gets clocked by some poor maccas employee and gets taken in with a manifesto AND a gun on his person?

        It’s the nazi flag and 3 copies of The Sims all over again, except this time the folks doing it are slightly more competent and actually pulled it off.

        This case is so important, so high profile, that they just need to arrest someone ASAP. Anyone. And that person is not in for a good time.

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          15 days ago

          There’s a simple explanation: He wanted to keep on the move, and he wanted to be able to take down other targets.

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          His face jas been plastered everywhere for the past week. My YouTube home page literally had 3-4 thumbnails of his face on every reload. Lemmy…X…news sites…massive exposure.

          So yah…some random worker notices his face looks kind of similar while he’s dining at his favorite spot and bam. Don’t forget there was a $10k bounty, plenty of fast food workers might be itching to collect on something like that.

          He probably figured once he was questioned about anything that they’d eventually get him so he prepared for that scenario. Or maybe this wasn’t even his last stop on his triple-D tour so he was still geared up.

          We’ll see him in court. If he’s innocent then he make a pretty good argument and then we can decide whether to raise eyebrows but this all just seems Q-anon levels of silly right now.

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          15 days ago

          unless you’ve worked in my field, which I can say with near certainty you haven’t, then you haven’t seen, witnessed, or experienced the things I have

          I’ll bite, what field are you in?

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      I think he knew he was going to get caught. Words on bullets, monopoly money… It’s trying to make the story larger and larger. Pretty sure he will make a show in front of the jury.

      I don’t know if that will work, but I respect that more than he killed the pig without making clear why.

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      15 days ago

      You can’t convince me this is the real shooter, this guy looks more like Skeet from Jimmy Neutron than the “Grin Reaper” in the now famous pic

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        15 days ago

        I said this to many folks IRL, the guy the NYPD charges will not be the shooter. just some poor sap that gets sent to prison for life because he had a dissenting opinion.

        it’s the high price we pay to keep them in power.

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      What would “the elites” stand to gain from framing this dude, while the actual killer is still on the loose?

      This is pretty unhinged, to be honest.

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        The killer is not as dangerous as the approval for his act. The government wants to prevent copycat vigilantes by making an example out of him. Regardless whether this guy is guilty or not, they’ll drag him through the deepest mud and then string him up with the harshest possible sentence, to discourage others from gunning down CEOs.

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          14 days ago

          I very much doubt the possibility of going to prison will deter someone pissed off enough to kill someone.

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        I’m not adopting the conspiracy here, but if they can’t find the shooter with the whole country getting behind him, then they would want the optics of finding the shooter. Which could backfire, of course. It would be very telling, for example, if the cops got real confident about it and then the real shooter made some kind of public display with the false shooter in custody.

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          14 days ago

          Yeah, thats part of the reason I don’t buy it. If the actual killer acts again, it will be very embarrassing for the police.

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        Yeah, I get that. However, the optics of having a successful “martyr” symbol is very, very dangerous. A wide scope of narrative means difficult to control. Difficult to control introduces “motivator to action” symbols among a, I think, specific (and quite populous) demographic (think of all the young males with zero purpose, waiting to seize on an opportunity for a real life Mr Robot, for example)… “well if he could do it, get away with it, AND become a ’hero’, what’s stopping me from doing the same?”

        Having someone, anyone, buys time to craft the narrative and gauge public sentiment and, most importantly, dampen the probability of a revolutionary ’spark’ if you will.

        Obviously we don’t have enough information here. It very well could be the dude they have in custody. I am only sharing one possible theory based off my experience and observations. And there are a number of very suspect observations here that are in line with narrative management.

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          I think the actual truth is, this guy isn’t a criminal mastermind, and he got caught.

          He also looks a lot like the surveillance photo.

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    You know, is said he worked UI at Firaxia from '15 to '17, which first made me think he worked on Civ VI, but then more likely Xcom Chimera Squad?

    You don’t get that job without having some interest in games. I hope it turns out he actually played Assassin’s Creed and is intentionally pulling an Ezio look, smile and all.

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    Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.