- posted on *.world
“We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber”!
Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?
Personally I would like to be able to talk to people with different views, in a civil manner. But Lemmy.ml doesn’t seem to want that. If you post something that they don’t like (even if it’s a very moderate view and is expressed in a completely civil way) then they ban you. They seem to really hate moderate people.
Most of the users saying this went around screaming the word Tankie all over the place on .ml.
every accusation is a confession.
I’ve never banned anybody for saying their view, and I don’t think I’d support someone being banned for saying their view, as long as they’re being respectful, and as long as they’re not advocating anything criminal.
I don’t think the meme makes sense. The ml users don’t seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they’d like.
Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it’s easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.
just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that
Sounds like you picked the wrong instance. The one I use doesn’t defederate, from anyone. So when some drama about "should we defederate from some server because they are a big corp/because they are right wing/because they are tankies/because they allow loli/whatever, I basically get to watch and laugh knowing it’s not going to effect me.
If it helps, most of this inter-instance drama comes from a surprisingly small group of people. I’ve blocked most of them (looks like I missed the OP here) and it’s much quieter now. Looking at my block list, they’re mostly from .world, but that could be due to the large population.
It is easy to maintain freedom of speech on Lemmy. The idea that your instance can defederate from instances like Lemmy.ml, but everyone on Lemmy.ml can continue to post on their own server, and federate with any other given server by default is the entire point of federation and proof of concept that the fediverse is great for free speech. You’re under the impression that all Lemmy servers are supposed to be part of one big whole, but that’s not what the fediverse is for.
You have to understand that “free speech” is a negative freedom and it doesn’t mean everyone has to listen to you. It just means nobody can force you not to speak.
The whole point of federation seems to be the ability to have villain instances that we all fight about. PVP social media
Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.
It will. It will change which instance they shriek “tankie!” at.
ml makes sense on the fediverse. That’s kind of the whole point. Same with Linux.
The irony of a community promoting socialism while also instabanning anyone for the slightest wiff of criticism is just chef’s kiss peak representation of why their system is doomed.
If you can’t withstand the slightest nudge of criticism how are you even going to attempt to provide a governance system based on any kind of economic directive? If Marx could see what you guys have become he’d personally wipe his ass with your lame ml instance
It’s because socialism does not stand up to outside pressures. It always turns towards benevolent totalitarianism as a method of defending itself from bad actors.
“benevolent”
Well yeah, implementation may vary with dictators.
Im already blocked on many of their subs. so I’m boycotting and I don’t have a choice
I boycotted them months back. I came to lemmy to get away from reddit mods.
I wish I could. But as a mod, it very much helps to leave all people and instances/communities unblocked.
Can’t? I already personally blocked them months ago.
How I interact with lemmy.ml:
- If I see a post I want to comment on, I comment on it. I don’t give a fuck what instance it’s on.
- If I want to post, I select the relevant community with the most subscribers. I don’t give a fuck what instance it’s on.
- If I can’t comment or post there, because I was banned for criticizing a dictatorship, I select the next biggest community.
(This happens about 50% of the time, cause I’m now banned on most .ml communities, simply for posting common sense opinions.)
The way I see it if they get defederated a lot of the people will migrate away from it and it won’t be “too big to fail” anymore
We need to grow the !linuxphones@lemmy.ca alternative more!
I like being able to block instances, without my instance doing it for me, lemm.ee is pretty good about that, like yeah, I blocked lemmygrad and hexbears but still have the option to see their stuff without switching accounts
