• lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 days ago

    So many incredibly stupid takes in comments. This is not a game. This is not a fucking Netflix special. The escalation ladder is so easy to go up, but so hard to climb down. This is a terrifying development.

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      5 days ago

      This should be delivered to Putin, How exactly should the world deal with a fanatic armed with nukes?

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        5 days ago

        You misspelled America

        I won’t bother listing the countries the US has bombed invaded or overthrown governments in the last oh I dunno 100 years

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          Maybe Iran and North Korea shouldn’t have made such an obvious and stupid choice to escalate the conflict by allowing Russia to use their weapons?

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              North Korea could not have been forced to use their troops to attack Ukraine if Kim Jong Un did not want them too. Iran I’m guessing did not care which hospital their weapons landed in.

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                You people talk like you think you’re at the strategy table in game of thrones, and not one of us mud-covered peasants. I’m willing to bet you know less than nothing about the causes of this war and the dynamics between it’s participants.

                Iran I’m guessing did not care which hospital their weapons landed in.

                Naked projection, your side has been bombing hospitals for a year in Palestine and a century everywhere else.

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                North Korea could not have been forced to use their troops to attack Ukraine if Kim Jong Un did not want them too.

                Truly brilliant. Also there is no evidence the DPRK is deploying troops to attack Ukraine.

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              Serious question here, but how exactly do you think the world should deal with a dictator armed with nukes? Capitulate at every single threat?

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                I don’t know how the world should deal with Biden, truly. Russia is not the power that is issuing threats. NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade. Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.

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                  “NATO did exactly what they recognized for decades would push Russia to invade.” Which is nothing.

                  “Ask how Russia should deal with a foreign power covertly manipulating their neighbor’s politics to elevate Nazis who would go on to bomb Russian speakers.” LOL Now you are into delusional crackpot territory.

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      6 days ago

      “Spokesperson, issue more empty threats! Surely this time they will finally take me seriously!”

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        You’d think the West would have taken it seriously after Crimea was annexed. But even after losing most of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson, there are still imperial core labor aristocrat clowns like you, still failing to read the room.

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      6 days ago

      Almost 25 years of that attitude from the US is how this war started in the first place[1], and now hundreds of thousands are dead or injured and millions are displaced.

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        You will find that the actual cause for the dead, injured, and displaced, is that Russia invaded Ukraine.

        The simplest fix would be for the Russians to go home.

        The more permanent fix would be for the Russians to go home, and have Vladimir Putin accidentally fall out of a window very high up. That would be reasonable, given how many men he basically threw into a meat grinder.

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        Every recrimination has an equal and opposite recrimination. In the end, we are where we are and every country chooses how to play their own hand by themselves.

        Russian leadership knew what they were doing when they attacked a foreign sovereign country in an act overt aggression.

        I’m sure there are plenty of rationalizations they tell themselves, but it’s not the US that “started this” in any meaningful way.

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      So I commented this before, Russia spends the same amount on its nuclear arsenal as the UK, while claiming a far larger arsenal. Even accounting for differences in currency value (so cheaper labour) and assuming Russia has some magical efficiency gains in maintenance its still not enough to even come close to maintaining an arsenal that size. Nukes need the fissile material swapped out every couple of decades or they’re just really expensive dirty bombs.

      This puts Russia in the position where if they launch a single nuke as a warning there’s a genuine chance that it might just fizzle, if that happens it would be crippling to their apperance as a nuclear armed state on the world stage, the embarassment of crossing the ultimate red line with nothing to show for it.

      So i guess the answer is the sabre is pretty rusty and it might not snap when rattled but there is a chance it snaps when Putin goes in for a real stab.

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      I wish they invented a nuclear weapon that only worked on the dumb mfs who think playing chicken with nuclear weapons is so cool.

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        I highly doubt Russia has any functioning nukes anyway. Even if they did, there’s no way they’d use them. You keep your fearmongering elsewhere

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          The country with the highest stockpile of nuclear weapons, with battle tested capabilities and the most advanced ICBMs in existence, you doubt they have nukes?

          There’s drinking the Kool aid and there’s this. I’m legitimately amazed that some of you Americans can mouthbreathe and walk at the same time, and more amazed that half the voting population is even dumber than that.

          If this stupid provocation only ended up with America in ashes you’d more than have it coming, but unfortunately we share a world and I’d like to keep living in it, not that y’all made it any better due to your absolute nonchalance about climate change.

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    Welp there goes my fucking sleep for tonight. I wish Washington and Langley alone would somehow disappear off the face of the earth and solve half the problems in the world overnight.

    Why the fuck does the rest of the world have to risk a nuclear extinction (and a climate one, honestly) just because the US are too fucking stupid and greedy to let go of a single cent in the world.

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      This instance is hilarious.

      Russia makes threats with nukes, because a country they attacked dares to defend itself

      lemmy.ml: Why would the US do this?

      The notion that Russia doesn’t need to invade or make nuclear threats is completely unthinkable around these parts.

      If you just analyze the 1000 most recent posts on the local worldnews, it’s pretty openly a propaganda channel.

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        Fuck off, Americans might not have a working memory longer than the last headline, but I remember the US proudly supporting the maidan coup with congresspeople on the ground, and I remember the US sending billions in weapons, blocking peace talks that a majority of Ukrainians want (because it wOulD bE a cOnCesSiOn) and Biden authorizing the use of NATO weaponry and guidance systems, any of which could reasonably carry a nuclear warhead. Let’s not foeget the US is the only country to ever use them on people.

        I’ve been told for a year that the traditional military operation Russia willingly engaged in was a colossal failure and Russia was bound to fall down at the slightest wind, on other threads you stupid gringos are going"lol he won’t do it let’s keep poking" and then you come on other threads to pretend history starts at the reply and not the provocation.

        The rest of the world no longer buys the concern trolling from clueless (or outright malicious) gringos.

        The US has done what it’s done for over a century, sabotage, start proxy wars and undermine democracy and when a country replies dumbass fucking libs will start crying about how that country is just being super aggressive for, like, just no reason 😢.

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      Why do you give Russia a free pass here? They are the ones threatening to use nuclear weapons. But somehow Washington is the bad guys. What a fucked up take.

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    Honestly I just find it laughable. 1, because there are more nuclear red lines behinds us than I care to count. And 2, if the last Russian missile test is anything to go by, I’m more worried about a giant chain reaction blowing up all of Russia.

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      I’m pretty sure they don’t care about being noticed, and would rather the US and the West fuck off entirely from affairs that don’t involve them.

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        Every affair involves the US 🇺🇸 Isn’t there somebody you forgot to ask?