Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Kyiv would like to end the war with Russia next year through “diplomatic means” as both countries prepare for President-elect Donald Trump’s return to the White House.
In an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne, Zelenskyy said he is certain that the war will end “sooner” than it otherwise would have once Mr. Trump becomes president.
The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of U.S. military aid to Kyiv.
Zelenskyy said that Ukraine “must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means.”
I want to end the war diplomatically, but only next year. Sorry, but some of our people need to die until I do what I already decided to doIt comes as German chancellor Olaf Scholz spoke with Mr Putin for the first time in nearly two years.
The German leader urged Mr Putin to pull his forces out of Ukraine and begin talks with Kyiv that would open the way for a “just and lasting peace”, the German government said.
The move was swiftly criticised by Mr Zelensky, who said the call had opened a “Pandora’s box” by undermining efforts to isolate the Russian leader.
“Now there may be other conversations, other calls. Just a lot of words,” said Mr Zelensky in his evening address on Friday. “And this is exactly what Putin has long wanted: it is extremely important for him to weaken his isolation and to conduct ordinary negotiations.”
Diplomacy in 2024 is bad actually. Only next year!Truly the hero of our time.
Good news. Hopefully the bloodshed can be ended as soon as possible.
Shitlibs want endless war in Ukraine, till the last Ukrainian is dead.
lmao the war in ukraine really was just a Democrat political project
Well no, this has been a bipartisan project stretching back decades. Brzezinski Mapped Out the Battle for Ukraine in 1997
And their response to the genocide and pogroms in Palestine proved their hypocrisy.
i wonder if it was an american military industrial complex fueled excuse to create a new profit stream in a new proxy war between russia and nato.
ukraine is perfect because the russians will never give them up for a myriad of reasons and that guarantees that american military contractors will be able to milk profits from ukraine as a proxy battleground country for as long as both russia and the united states exist; longer than any of us here today.
The sanctions applied by the west have been the best thing that could have happened to the Russian economy in decades. Their import substitution policy accelerated and even after the war they will now have competitive industries that wouldn’t have been considered economically viable had Russia continued to buy cheaper goods from the west. I sometimes think the continuation of the war is collusion by the US and Russia to keep both of their economies doing great at the expense of Europe, who are too busy with their hubris to realise they’re getting screwed here.
i wonder how much of that economic progress will remain after the ukranian war.
The Russian ruling class would need to disabuse themselves of neoliberal dogmas
in that case: i wonder how much “soviet union” is still lives in russia and whether or not there’s enough to keep the economic progress from vanishing.
True
It turns out actually making things is an important part of the economy and i don’t think their increasing manufacturing capacity is going anywhere. And if the sanctions end it’s even easier to keep making oil money
and the EU vassals went with it blindly
So it looks like it’s finally happening?
The best time to take ceasefire was before.
The second best time is now
And they’re still going for the second worst option: later
(The worst option would be never)
If they know they’re going to end the war diplomatically, why are they delaying? Extremely cruel to the people fighting today who know their deaths are meaningless, that they’re only dying cause it’s still early.
The US won’t allow it, the same way they didn’t allow it the previous times.
The US is clearly starting to distance itself from project Ukraine now. That said, I don’t expect that the US will alter its stance to simply admit that Russia has won. The most probable scenario is that Russia and the US will secretly negotiate a behind-the-scenes agreement, and the US will just cut aid to Ukraine while continuing to publicly engage in verbal posturing. The US admin will say that it has more pressing concerns with China and the Middle East, and it’s now time for Europe to step up and assume a larger role. However, everyone knows that Europe is not any position to do so. Therefore, the conflict will likely end on Russian terms without the US openly admitting defeat. As an added bonus, the US will secure lucrative military contracts with European nations for decades to come.
Finally found a intellectual in these comments 👏
They would be forced to increase the bribery for Ukrainian suicide. The project was always a weapons and oil slush fund, and those constituents can be kept happy with a war on Iran.
Zelenskyyyyyy Russian asset confirmed
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My buddy says he’s going to stop drinking next year. 🤠
I wonder how Zionist Biden would feel -if it all- once Russia annexes parts of Ukraine. Probably how he felt about Israel annexing Palestinian and Syrian lands. His underling Blinken even defended Israel’s annexation of the Golan Heights.
What he likely means “ending the war by diplomatic means” is not talking or negotiating with Russia. No, that would be worst heresy imaginable. When he has previously talked about the use of diplomacy to find peace, what he really means is for Ukraine redouble it’s efforts to beg for more money and weapons, but also get US and Europe to put more pressure on countries like China and India to ditch Putin and support Ukraine instead. Zelensky has talked along these lines before. Make his position seem reasonable to those who who want Ukraine to seek settlement, when it really isn’t any different from “Zelensky’s peace plan” that can be summed up in demand Russia’s unconditional surrender as a precondition to any kind of dialogue.
I fear it’s this kinda crazy talk that we are looking at. Zelensky or his inner circle just bring themselves to talk to the Russians, nor can they talk about things like giving up even places like Crimea. They just can’t give an inch and we all know what happens to the reeds that don’t bend with wind.
They absolutely can. Easily. They made a peace deal shortly after war started, but Zelensky accepted weapons bribe promises to keep going instead. As they are nearing the last Ukrainian, and the bribes will dry up, something close to original deal will happen instead. Zelensky is dead either way, but peace lets him flee somewhere, and claim to have done the right thing.
Zelensky is dead either way, but peace lets him flee somewhere, and claim to have done the right thing.
Zelensky’s dilemma is that his real powerbase are the militant ultranationalists who surround him, who make up a double edged sword for him. Even if the Ukrainian people would have wanted peace yesterday they are not armed or organized. Zelensky still needs the nationalists around him to stand between him and possible popular uprising and the more moderate wing of the army doing a coup. If Zelensky goes for peace he fears that the nationalists around him will see that as an betrayal of Ukraine, them and those who have sacrificed their lives for their project and will turn on him and arrange an “Russian missile strike” in his office that will kill him and end any negotiations. You must understand that despite being called nationalists, the banderites love their imaginary version of Ukraine more than the actual nation. Ukraine bending the knee to Russia would save the real Ukraine, but it would destroy their ideal version of it and doom and taint their idea of Ukrainian nationalism forever.
You are correct in assessment of Ukraine power dynamics. But there may be a realism hit taking place if US won’t fund the war. The banderites/Zelensky may wish to become South Korea. The “Musk ceasefire with EU peacekeepers” is South Korea with continued skirmishes, and not something Russia will fall for. “Listening to Russia’s concerns” is a peace plan. Given Ukraine’s path, mentioning peace may be Zelensky’s way to threaten a better offer from West.
Zelenskyy literally cannot advocate for negotiated peace. The Right wing nationalist elements of Ukraine’s coalition will effectively murder him if that becomes his position. It remains to be seen what will happen to him when he’s forced into it by the reality of the war and the waning of international support by his patron states.
He’s likely just going to flee to US or UK in the end.
Juan Guaido excited to get a roomie in Florida
He has a mega mansion in Egypt in his mom’s name thanks to this war.
Very hopeful,
“We have to understand what the Russians want,” Zelenskyy said.
That would mean peace instead of Ukraine becoming a new South Korea. Ukraine led peace negotiations can bring China in to outbid blackrock for the ruins in the country, and perhaps Chinese peacekeepers instead of nazi EU supporters. The Musk plan that was floated is a non-starter with Russia. EU trade deal finally happening is something Zelensky can try for, but Ukraine’s purpose was always suicide to the last Ukrainian, and everything dangled as a carrot disappears when they let go of that course.
EU/US have to step up financial reconstruction offers instead of weaponized nazification to be relevant in the peace.
EU/US have to step up financial reconstruction offers
The offers are likely to be predatory IMF/World Bank loans leading to even more neoliberal/neocolonial privatization & austerity.
The US hasn’t given Ukraine a blessed thing: they’ve all been lend-leases that will take the Ukrainian people generations to pay off.
Yes. While the original permawar/10+ year plan was to the very last Ukrainian, there is still a substantial discount available to Blackrock or US-controlled IMF paying blackrock to take over Ukraine. Unlike the ww2 and post ww2 lend-lease agreements that were government controlled, and had the unfortunate side effect of providing US treasury revenue, Blackrock can directly compensate rulers kind enough to grant it riches.
Russia, as in 2014 Yanukovych times, becomes a reconstruction alternative, with new entrant China able to make offers. Blackrock taking everything for free is harder when a peace deal is made where there is a sliver of Ukrainians left.
That would be nice, I think you’re right. I don’t think they are serious though, sadly.
TIL that bickering over and then eventually sending your left over equipment and other miscellaneous trash to a country under a genocidal invasion is “weaponized nazification”.
Most of what the EU sends is financial reconstruction aid. People here are too pussy to send any real help. You’re making the EU sound a lot more competent by paining us as some shadow entity manipulation Ukraine.
a country under a genocidal invasion
These claims of genocide by Russia are projection by Western propaganda.
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
Not sure what a random definition without explanation, follow be so called “western propaganda”, say about genocide in Russia. All you’ve proven is that the west claims there is genocide. That barely tells us anything at all about Russia!
Let me complete your case and actually include something from the Kremlin as opposed to only “western propaganda”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOCWBhuDdDo Here Putin explains why he started this war. He turns the interview into a 2 hour lecture about why Ukrainians don’t and never existed and therefor can’t have the free will to want to be independent and must be reminded of how they’re all actually Russian. Now if that’s not a textbook definition of genocide, I don’t know what is.
The best reason to end any war is to ask how everyone can just stop killing one another.
This is modern day civilization, not the barbarian hordes of Europe 1500 years ago.
We have a choice to act civilized or like our ignorant ancestors from thousands of years ago.
War is a necessity as long as Imperialism remains the dominant contradiction in the world, we need to move beyond Capitalism to move beyond war.
What’s the better alternative to capitalism?
Socialism. I wrote an intro reading list for Marxism if you want to check it out.
Why should my lazy neighbour get the same as me when I work harder or smarter? There in lies the problem with pure socialism… socialised democracy ( i.e. capitalism with based services for all) is the only palletable stance in that direction.
That’s not what Socialism is, or even Communism. In every existing Socialist state, people have gotten higher or lower pay for different levels of intensity or skill. If getting paid the same is “the problem with pure socialism” then it sounds like it’s all cleared up!
Secondly, Social Democracy still relies on Capitalism, which necessarily moves in the direction of increased disparity and centralization of power in fewer and fewer hands. Moreover, as companies spread internationally, Capitalism turns to Imperialism, whereby workers in the Global South are paid a fraction of the wages a worker in the Global North would be paid. This form of hyper-exploitation for super-profits results in dramatically unequal exchange and underdevelopment. Socialism is the way forward, beyond this system of exploitation and eventual collapse.
I really recommend you give at least the first section of my reading list a try.
Wow. Immediately going to the myth of laziness right from the get go.
You’re wrapped in arrogance armor, placed there by propagandists. It makes you feel well intentioned, principled, correct, and most importantly, educated. The problem is that the propagandists ensured you were ignorant and dogmatic. Now you have the terrible curse of being ignorant and dogmatic but believing you’re knowledgeable and principled.
Just study more history. Read the people that you’re scared of like Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao. Just read more and seek after knowledge that contradicts your upbringing. Most Western communists were raised on the same propaganda you were. We all managed to defeat our training by learning more about what’s really been happening for the last 500 years and unlearning the lies we were raised with.
You can do it, too.
ask yourself in whose interest is it to continue this insane war.
(Military corporations in the US and Russia)
And let’s not forget Russia’s support from that batch. This war is just another money scheme
True. DC is not an irradiated pile of ruble because of the theater of permawar that Russia eventually wins is the script. US loses all wars because victory ends a war, and brings oil prices back down.
Thousand years from now, the same statement will be made of us. We humans change little.
Humans change quite a bit depending on Mode of Production, which shapes culture and norms.
I absolutely disagree. Lots of history proves that we are still motivated by primal instincts of self preservation. It always comes down to that.
Lots of history proves that humans behaved differently based on the economic system in place. Why do you believe slavery has largely been abolished? Did humans suddenly change their minds about it?
You’re thinking to high level. I’m talking about what actually drives us. Slavery has been largely abolished (but not really) because it’s out of fashion. We haven’t fundamentally changed the way we think. We’re far more alike our ancient ancestors than we think.
No, slavery was abolished because of technological progress and changes in Mode of Production. I’m thinking in a Historical Materialist perspective, there wasn’t a random beaming of empathy in humanity.
Slavery still exists in multiple different forms tho
Whatever, you’re missing the point.
What drives us ultimately is our material conditions. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you. BTW, Harris’ dad is a Marxist, which is where I’m sure her comment sprang from.
However, the way these primal instincts are expressed obviously changes based on the rules of societies we create. USSR and post-Soviet Russia serves as a perfect real world example. The same people who generally acted in the interest of society under socialist structures quickly learned how to become oligarchs under the capitalist set of rules. In effect, the way society is structured acts as a selection pressure for human behavior.
No chance of help to protect his homeland from belligerent invasion? You’ve got to cut the losses.
Then Russia can invade in another 10 years and take more. Yay! It can be an every-decade thing!
Russia is not just this blob of ooze that wants to consume more land. It took them a decade to come to the aid of the regions that the Bandera worshipping post-Maidan government turned on, and much of the Ukrainian army defected to.
