This happened in Toronto on October 24th
Why isn’t there a manual mechanism for the door? Why didn’t the passengers use an emergency glass hammer? Why isn’t there an emergency release for the door?
It would be crazy sci-fi villian if Musk had mobile access to everyone’s Tesla and he is just killing off customers he doesn’t like by doing shit like refusing to unlock the doors.
As if this is hard to believe…
The Elon Musk-owned automaker has a troubling history of owners getting locked in their cars without power. Some of these cases may be down to user error, since most Teslas come with manual release levers.
Of course, let’s blame the users 🙄
most Teslas come with manual release levers.
MOST?
In the case of the model Y referenced, this release is under a mat. You wouldn’t see it in normal operation.
In case of emergency, lift the floor mat and input the 16 digit release code.
I heard Teslas are supposed to have manual release latches inside.
In any case, doors should always be manual anyway. This isn’t the first time this happened and I’m surprised there isn’t a regulation for this yet.
If we investigated car accidents like we did plane accidents we’d probably have banned them by now.
Investigators arrive on scene. Immediately notice how the infrastructure was designed for gridlock rush hour where nothing is moving. Are appalled that the only safety training the motorists received was completed 20 years ago and never refreshed. Dismayed that these circumstances are permitted in densely populated areas.
We’d probably have high speed rail too instead of a vast expanse of highways
The ones in the rear are hidden under a mat in the door.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html
The model X requires you to remove the speaker grill to manually open the door.
You know, nice and intuitive.
They do have manual release latches, but if you have never used them they might be hard to find. Especially in the panic of a burning car.
Really vehicle electronic doors should operate the same way they (usually?) do in buildings - in case of power loss they default to unlatched.
Have you looked at teslas manual for the back doors. Some are behind panels that have to be removed. You are not doing that well burying alive.
and I’m surprised there isn’t a regulation for this yet.
Don’t be. Expect any existing regulations to be rolled back soon.
There definitely needs to be a way for people outside the car to open it. People involved in accidents are often incapacitated.
Always have an emergency hammer in your car to break a window
I have a Civic with a manual door handle, but after reading your comment … I think I’m going to get one to leave in the car just in case.
Should your car ever wind up submerged in water a hammer could come in handy. Make sure it’s a “break glass” type hammer, which has a point. Thick tempered glass is surprisingly strong.
The spring-loaded kind are a lot easier to use in a cramped car and by people with less upper body strength. However, those won’t work on newer cars with dual-pane or laminated glass
I’ve seen people say that emergency window hammers don’t work with Tesla windows as they’re laminated in current models.
Would that work in a car that purports to have bulletproof windows?
Only the tesla truck claims to be bullet proof. This happened in a model y and the 5th person in the car narrowly survived because a bystander smashed the window.
Hmm yeah, didn’t think of that
Further investigation shows that three of the four had recently posted mean things about Elon Musk on Xitter. A representative from the company issued the following statement. “It is unfortunate that the fourth passenger, who was seemingly innocent of blasphemy, chose to associate with the guilty parties. Sometimes collateral damage has to occur in our attempt to cleanse the population.”
“seemingly”
Ye, it seemed like it so we just decided we’d rather burn alive than to actually try opening the door.
News titles sometimes
Fair, but at least they’re reporting it and connecting the dots re: this tesla safety issue, which I haven’t seen from any legacy media
We all know American car safety is a joke, that’s not news
What? Our new or modern cars are safe as fuck dude.
For now.
When the Trump administration is done gutting the NHTSA, not so much.
They are safer for the occupants. With their increased size, increased sound dampening, and reduced visibility, they are more dangerous to those outside of the vehicle.
Edit: my view was changed. I was wrong. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
Oh sure, but A LOT of people don’t have to worry about that. I go from my house directly the highway for 1 hour before I get to my job. I’d rather be safer on the highway for my 2+ hours of commuting a day than the off chance some random is walking on the highway where he shouldn’t.
I’m close to 2m tall, and the hoods of the trucks I walk by on my way to work are up to my shoulders, I think things like size aren’t really helping. Naturally, maybe 1 of every 10 trucks this size appear to actually be for work.
I think a lot of the modern safety improvements are great, but just making every vehicle gigantic is doing a lot of harm.
Agreed. And having automated controls for breaking would be a magnificent leap forward. Unless the government steps in to slow down those products there isn’t anything to be done.
You can see reform starting in the form of the “Carolina squat” being outlawed in a lot of states to help alleviate some of that pain.
There’s more to safety than having the biggest or fanciest car. It’s road design, rules, speed, training, etc.
With the skills of an average American driver you wouldn’t get your license in some countries.
Yea! Most of us are fucking horrible at driving. Automated processes for safety make us lazier too.
Our road design is pretty well done but the speed/training is fucking atrocious.
Worried about libel, it is very likely that someone like Musk would sue.
If they said “It was the fault of Tesla that these people are dead” without proof and without it being a quote from someone else, they can be sued pretty easily.
Authorities are still investigating the crash and fire. But the details that we have so far implicate to some degree the electronic doors used by Tesla and other automakers, which require power to open.
I’d like to see Tesla do that because afterwards the court of public opinion will eat them alive!
Why cant’t the doors be manual on an EV?
Than you wouldnt look smart when a person sitting in your ev doesnt know how to open the door, and you smugly grin and show how stupid they look for not spending 30min on youtube and looking at videos how to open ev doors.
Of course they can, but then you don’t get those slick flush handles. Ain’t that a thing worth dying for?
Think I read they can, but it’s in a special non obvious place. So they probably didn’t know or didn’t find it
They are in the front. It’s super obvious. People pull them by accident all the time instead of the electric switch. It’s right where your hand rests on the front two doors.
So they are manual after all ?
There is a manual override that’s not hidden away.
Interesting
I can think of only a few situations where you’d want to get out of a car quickly, where you’d have enough time to look under all the matte covers to find a manual door release switch that may or may not be installed. A fire is certainly not one of them. At the very least shouldn’t they be equipped with a Nothammer…?
I’ve seen it said elsewhere that these don’t work on the windows of current Tesla models as they’re laminated.
Hammers aren’t ideal, they take force, knowing how to strike, they could shatter glass in your eye.
All of this shit is easily avoided by a fucking handle on the fucking door.
A lot of newer cars have stronger glass that even these or the spring-loaded kind can’t break.
Everyone in my family has one of those in their car. Unfortunately most of them are buried under 100 things in the center console.
Is there an advantage to such an electronic door opener? If they have to include a manual release anyways, it really doesn’t seem like they’d save space.
I guess, there might be novelty to just pressing a button, but not burning alive is also quite a cool feature.
Why is it Lemmy is okay with Outrage culture when it targets Tesla/SpaceX/Apple, yet criticized else where?
So reading these comments most people don’t understand that many cars have electronic doors for several valid design reasons and yet all I have seen have manual overrides. Tesla as many other cars without window trims have to lower the glass before you can open the door. Most if not all cars even German makes do this electronicly but like my Tesla, have a manual handle that mechanicly drops the glass windows panel so you can open normally.
Both my Tesla and friends VW Benzin(Gas) car som 15 years ago use the same system… If the car have no trim and electronic windows, you also have this design issue, which extends this to ALL car brands.
But yea let’s throw reason out the window and yell “Tesla bad!!!”…
How if it is true some models don’t have the manual override (and that might include none Tesla cars if there indeed is no regulation that mandates it) I feel bad for the people not knowing or the safety ratings ignoring this oversight.
I can just say, mine does and is mentioned in the safety rating used in EU.
I think it’s more like
Car on fire PANIC!!! OH SHIT I can’t just pull this door handle to get out. Oh God it’s so hot, what’s happening … (Get disoriented) … Trying to find a way out still. A series of steps with a hidden release has to happen - hope you knew that before you climbed in.
Yeah many cars do have electronic doors, but they can be easily opened without electricity in a simple way. Yank the handle.
For some reason Tesla thought that was a bad idea. It’s stupid, I know they should have broken a window but when you’re panicking going on years of experience opening car doors you’re going to try to open them the way you know how.
So, yeah, it’s not just because it’s a Tesla - it’s because it’s a dangerous and dumb engineering choice that they made which puts people’s lives in danger unnecessarily.
Many people in my Tesla have janked the emergency handle, rather than clicking the button to get out without any emergency, there isn’t any Door handle, there is the emergency handle… Which kinda proves my point and your outrage comment proves you haven’t even been in a Tesla yet comment on “it’s bad design”.
Same kind of comments from people against seatbelts when they were introduced. “It’s not the standard and people will burn in their cars” without seeing or trying a seatbelt.
It very much is because it’s a Tesla because my point about Tesla not being the only car which use electric windows control pre opening the door. Yet people hating on “EV needs power to get out” failing to realise that many Gas powered vehicles require the same thing. Some even implemented explosives that need to push the door off to be able to get out.
Sweet, what about back seat folks?
Also those other cars have easier ways of getting out in event for a power failure, not having to open a separate hidden compartment and pull a cable.
I’ve been in Teslas and I’m not going to buy one. My used 2009 Mazda 3 has better build quality than the brand new Teslas. Silly AF
Good to know this isn’t about fuckcars at all, it’s about fuck Tesla and changes to upset the Gas industry.
Good to know as I’d rather enjoyed Lemmy but if it’s a Russia, Saudi and US lobby pushing their agenda here, ohh well
No fuckcars too, I just live in suburbia and need one to do anything and exist
What the hell are you on about? Seatbelts were introduced to SAVE lives, removing handles was done to look cool.
They where made to open car doors and Tesla chose a design which you can find on cars from 1990 on sportscars to reduce drag and increase efficiency.
But ok let’s stick to the pickup truck handles and efficient…
Many people in my Tesla have janked the emergency handle, rather than clicking the button to get out without any emergency, there isn’t any Door handle, there is the emergency handle… Which kinda proves my point and your outrage comment proves you haven’t even been in a Tesla yet comment on “it’s bad design”.
That might be true for the front seat, but what about the back? I doubt you’d have 4 passengers all up front with you in the passenger seat.
I’ve never been in a Tesla, but according to the owner’s manual the emergency release for the back seat is a cable behind a hidden panel, and not all models actually have that hidden panel.
If there was a burning car and I had to open your Tesla’s door from the outside to save you, you’re dead because I wouldn’t be able to figure out how to use the handle, regardless of whether the thing was still powered or not.
I have had many people ride in my Tesla and most of them opened the door by pulling the emergency handle… By instinct. So great job reading a headline and commenting without ever being in a Tesla, calling something you have never seen “bad design”.
Some kind of argument this group deals with when people say " busses/trains don’t work [instead made up thing they have never seen]"
Great job furthering the cause or any change at improving anything.
I’m talking about accessing the Tesla from the outside. It’s not obvious how you do that, and I’ve been picked up by several Teslas that were Ubers. (IIRC isn’t there something like the handles don’t pop out if the doors are locked too? I just remember that I’ve struggled with this)
So anyone in a sports car? Porsche, Massaratti, Audi, Ferrari and many others used these way before Tesla…
Try breaking a window man, do your due diligence and save a life. Don’t just give up at the slight obstacle.
If the occupant is unconscious, dragging one out of the window can make things significantly worse if there are injuries from a crash. The door handle should always be available. Even if the door won’t open on one side because of an impact there, use the other side. There are much better alternatives than dragging someone over shattered glass out of a window.
Life over limbs. If the vehicle is on fire and I’m unconscious, fucking drag me out by any means necessary.
